Valhalla

[bluezerosix7]

bear with me, I <3 old english so random context, see this :
http://scandinavian.wisc.edu/mellor/myth/myth_files/yggdrasil.jpg
ok so i have an idea for a map, just want your input, as i havent made any maps yet, but have the meticulous care to make at least a decent one. the idea i have is a Valhalla (Odin's court in Asgard). I'm planning on just a big room where trolls spawn at one end, bandits @ another end. hopefully they'll fight each other, ill work out the kinks so that they're perfectly evenly matched. then whoever just runs in amuck to get xp. If its not too hard, im hoping to create a hlidskjalf (Odin's watch tower) for archery aka archery range. Maybe if im really nice ill make Niflheim complete with skellys too.

cant be a cheat map cuz no chests ^_^. i just thought itd be a good concept for a map for people who have higher levels and have beaten everything else to get xp faster. any ideas good/bad?

 

[Jester]

Sounds like it'd be fun to play at least once to watch the npcs duke it out .

 

[Vomica7]

woah alot of those words in the map are on ragnarok

i was like OMG! ive read this somewhere when i read the title (yggdrasil berries)

 

[Thothie]

Think less "Old English" and more of the angrier, blonder, nordic people further north.

All your Asatru mythology needs can be found at me ol' friend's webpage: Asatru.org

 

[bluezerosix7]

its not actually ragnarok, its futhark (pre-old english). i have a vast passion for old english, as in, i want tattoos of the whole map of the nordic world on my back, odin the wanderer on my left shoulder, thor on my right, huggin and munnin on my neck (odin's ravens). i even want, i think the term is the yggdrassilnir (an ash tree coming down into a hammer @ the base). dunno if you can draw or know anyone that can thothie, but if you can find me an awesome artwork of that. not that im astratu (or astrau, w/e you call it), its just that my family is 99% west european, and i have pride for myself. yeah, non-racist white pride!

its also why i hate being a shield warrior, i want to be a friggin berzerker! i also play age of mythology just because you can be nordic lol.

 

[Vomica7]

its not actually ragnarok

http://iro.ragnarokonline.com/

 

[gamer_boy]

Sounds like a good idea. Could have some performance issues with lots of NPCs but it will be fine if you dont have too many. I just wanna watch a bandit fighting a troll

 

[bluezerosix7]

now all i gotta do is figure out how to make a map XD

 

[Thothie]

This 'Old Engish' = Asatru thing is a common misperception...

When I think ancient peoples of England - I think of the Britons, the first ancient native peoples of the Isle to move in, after the glaciers, that pushed out the pre-historic monolith builders, had retreated... These were Gaelic peoples whose people were much more Celtic in their mythological beliefs than they were Asatru, having migrated from Europe. (Think Dugdah, Math, and Morrigan)

Before the arrival of the Roman's and the Anglo-Saxons displaced by them, they'd been the dominate force on the isle for about 5,000 years. (Albeit, picked on by Picts quite a lot during that time.)

The 'Old English' Anglo-Saxons (mostly Germanic people displaced by the Romans) became Anglo-Normans comparatively quickly, and were entirely Christianized very shortly after the Norman arrival. This process took place over about 600 years, but the Germanic influence on their culture was all but wiped out well before the so-called 'Norman invasion' that dealt the killing blow. About the only thing that survived of their particular Germanic heritage after that, was a smattering of runes almost overwhelmed by the Celtic influences of those before them that, in turn, had aided in the Celtic-Christian revival. (Well those, and Beowulf, but that doesn't really count given the source.)

As such, Valhalla, and the tree Yggdrasil, the Midgar Serpant, Thor, Odin, Baldir, Loki, Fraya, and the lot, more rightly belong to a peoples further north than the isles, originating closer to Norway and Scandinavia, colonized by those of Germanic heritage ages before, who did not fall so easily to the Christian empire. So it's not the Anglo-Saxons, but the Nordic peoples, who held to their cultural beliefs the longest, and made the apex. These Asatru descended down upon the Anglo-Saxons and Anglo-Normans (having been Christianized the lot of them) and brought to them staunch reminders of the fury of their abandoned heritage. It was these Nordic people, rather than the 'Old English' who brought that particular mythology to the height of its powers, and gave it the shape we know it today.

Granted, the terror they generated was eventually the source of their downfall. Those who found an England united against them next door and a Europe united under a Christian banner too difficult a meat to chew, eventually concluded: if you cannot beat them, join them. Thus, yet another ancient culture and religion met its end through assimilation.

Just as the Celts, however, their stories and histories were kept alive, largely by being aliased in the form of various revisions of Christian saints, but also by the more diligent, isolated people, who either practiced in secret, or were so isolated they were allowed to, for a large part, keep their own beliefs. The northern peoples, being more isolated than most, managed, in greater numbers, to maintain their beliefs, however subdued, under the "worship no god before Me" rational. Placing their pantheon under the Christian God, more of the nuances of the Norse variant of Asatru survived than that of the more southern, more integrated Anglo-Saxon Asatru and Celtic religions.

Truth be told, we know almost nothing of the Anglo-Saxon Asatru variant, and almost everything we do know about it, is simply inferred from Scandinavian Mythology, as we can tell by the fragments of writing that they share a common root and core pantheon. They were likely, however, not as closely related as the Greek and Roman mythologies, having less intermingling and a greater technological divide.

But that's just my take on it... I must admit, screaming 'WODEN!' with a mug of mead at Star Fest works much better than 'Odin' - as it's easier to get the 'woop' going.

As for the Tatoo, I know someone who does that sort of thing - but no one under thirty should ever get one of those. :roll:

 

[bluezerosix7]

-i only say old english is the same as nordic, like no one knows the difference between scandinavian, germanic, norman, and britonic anyway >.<
-isnt it funny that those same people that leveled rome in a day with ginormous hamars now wear argyle sweaters?
-oh and its actually Baldr, Baldur was used later in poetry (truly the eddas and sagas). also the midgard serpent is called the Jorgamund, one of Loki's kids.
-random factoid: many pieces of the modern day bible were thrown out because they thought Loki was too similar to Lilith (what? a Protestant that believes in Lilith? why yes!).

 

[Odin]

Heh well I can only agree on the idea, it would be fun to play a "Valhalla" map where the ideal would be to train as a viking did in the afterlife if he died in battle Killing orgy until everyone dies, then at night the Valkyries would revive you and heal your wounds and restore your lost body parts...after that they would have this huge meal and get drunk with lots of mjød (viking ale, bitter sweet honey taste). And besides that I can't complain at all, I mean I'll feel like the king inside that map



PS. You are right the original name isn't Baldur, it's Balder, you wrote "Baldr" I guess you made a typo or well some places also call him Baldr so I am not sure if you did a typo, but well the correct name in danish is Balder.

EDIT: Btw the yggdrasil picture that you linked is really good, It's very detailed. Anyways I can't recall anything about "MUSPELL" Maybe I should start reading about norse myth again

Second EDIT: Nvm. Now I remember!

 

[evilsquirrel]

perhaps you didnt notice that the last post on this was from a year and two days ago :|

 

[Odin]

hahaah great! I didnt actually I just read 20 February and thought it was yesterday lol, and it's actually 1 year and 1 day ago

 

[Thothie]

I think it's actually spelled:

So yeah, bldr, baldur, balder, baldar, baldier, tis an ancient foreign religious word, so like all of those, you'll see it spelled differently everywhere.

You'll often see Odin under the old Wotan, Wodin, or Wodan.

Or Thoth, under Thot, Tot, Thoout, Thōth, Thoot, Thaut, Thōout, ḏḥwty, Djehuty, Khenti, Hab, Aan, Asten, or "That nut job behind the bar with the crazy hair."

 

[Netrogor]

Hmm... just because this should now be put into Off-Topic... I'ma post something off-topic

My blood is made up of a good deal of Irish, equal amount of German, then a little bit of British, and even less Native American. And that's it

I know I have some British in me 'cuz I am William Shakespeare's twelfth something cousin seven times removed; a distant relation but one nonetheless