Helena!

[ITS'aME'aMARIO!!!!]

I got attacked by orcs today in helena! I have to admit it was lots of fun... scripted attacks on towns = MAKES MS BADASS! (Warhammer online is gonna have em too)

But with all these attacks on helena I would like to wonder why people still live there. I mean they get attacked by orcs and bandits ALL THE TIME. And they don't even have a formidable wall. Their wall has two entrances! thats like asking "please invade my town and rape us and our women!" They don't even have a gate. With all the prosperous merchants of daragoth there i'm sure they can afford a better wall than that. Why the hell are the merchants there neway? I personally think the merchants square in edana should have more merchants than helena especially since you have to PAY to get in.

Hell they could use the magical pushing gate technology from edana in helena!


they get invaded every day yet they don't leave.
Rohar: Helena is the New Orleans of MS.

 

[HomestarR]

If the merchants left, or if they got a decent wall, then the baddies wouldn't attack. No attack = no fun. Merchants square could use a little more merchants.

 

[Dejiko]

raids are just a pain in the ass IMO. I come to town to buy/sell/store stuff, not to fight. if anything ever attacks the town every merchant is made useless until the map restarts.

 

[Shadeska]

Ya think this is bad? I know that you've played Old Helena in MS...don't complain when there are no trolls to rape you or kill the merchants, who stand there waiting for you to buy things.

 

[villager]

Or a giant cart flying across the map destroying half of the remaining wall with orc warlords pouring out, god damn that map was awesome.

 

[Shadeska]

Yes...I wish I could have lived that long though. It was a completely different animal, that Old Helena was...I loved her like a kitten.
Can we bring it back? Or maybe a map ispired by it for Source? That'd be sweet.

 

[ITS'aME'aMARIO!!!!]

I have a plausable idea for how to implement old helena without time warping magic and ridiculous shit.

Have one of the npcs who survived the old helena siege tell the adventurers the story of helena as a reward for a really cheap quest.

The story is told through the players actually reliving the old helena siege.


Nightmare thornlands can be implemented the same way, with Sembelin telling of the fortold future of daragoth.

 

[Sabre]

I have a plausable idea for how to implement old helena without time warping magic and ridiculous ****.

Have one of the npcs who survived the old helena siege tell the adventurers the story of helena as a reward for a really cheap quest.

The story is told through the players actually reliving the old helena siege.


Nightmare thornlands can be implemented the same way, with Sembelin telling of the fortold future of daragoth.

Coming from a guy who pops shrooms, I'd figure you'd prefer time warping and ridiculous shit

 

[Thothie]

I've the source for old Helena, and I intended to bring it back as kind of a time travel venture, but only the gods know when I'm going to get to it.

The orc raids seem fine, but I think the bandit raids need a bit of nerfing, and another thing I need to get around to, is getting the merchants to go back to their stalls after the raid and pass out discounts.

 

[CrazyMonkeyDude]

The orc raids seem fine, but I think the bandit raids need a bit of nerfing, and another thing I need to get around to, is getting the merchants to go back to their stalls after the raid and pass out discounts.

STOP READING MY MIIIIIND! *runs* [/chrisgriffen]

But seriously, I was gonna suggest that, I just never got around to it. >.>

 

[ITS'aME'aMARIO!!!!]

hah yeah... the bandits totally PWN the rent-a-cop guards in helena...

 

[CrazyMonkeyDude]

I was talking more about the discounts at the end of the raids.

 

[Shadeska]

We should replace the reward for finishing Old Helena because we have enough >.> *looks around* gold armor.
But how would we explain returning from a flashback with items?
Oo! I got it! The surivor gives everyone a gift for listening to his "story"

 

[tehrilez]

We should replace the reward for finishing Old Helena because we have enough >.> *looks around* gold armor.
But how would we explain returning from a flashback with items?
Oo! I got it! The surivor gives everyone a gift for listening to his "story"

unless its all one map it wont work.


someone could vote for the reward map.

 

[Shurik3n]

There is a system in place that doesn't allow travel to a map unless you have reached the transition point. This is used to stop people from starting on skycastle, or ww3d and can just be used again for this.

 

[tehrilez]

There is a system in place that doesn't allow travel to a map unless you have reached the transition point. This is used to stop people from starting on skycastle, or ww3d and can just be used again for this.

Votemap..


if you went into the "flashback" and voted for it, you wouldn't have to do the map.

 

[Shurik3n]

No... because when you join the next map and try to spawn it will blackout your screen and tell you to go to the beginning.

 

[tehrilez]

but you voted for the map on the transition map.


How is it then I can go to places like ara without being on the transition map?

 

[Shurik3n]

Because Ara isn't protected by the gauntlet system. Try starting on edana and votemaping (or changelevel'ing) to ww3d

 

[Dark]

i second this... BRING BACK OLD HELENA... Twas the only dissapointment i felt with the new version.... *cries*

 

[JoMama]

Another way you could pull this off is by having the transition between merchant-filled Helena and war-torn Helena happen automatically while the server is in Thornlands.

In Thornlands, have a random-length timer that starts at the beginning of Thornlands. Also, place two level transitions in the same transition area in Thornlands (one for helena, one for old helena) with only one of them active at a time (disable one and enable the other).

Once the timer runs down, a message will appear saying something along the lines of "Helena is being rampaged by orcs" or something (you could also have a couple orcs come in from the helena entrance if so inclined) The transition for "helena" will disable, and "old_helena" will enable. The timer should reset so that it will wait a certain amount of time before reverting the transition point back to "helena" (as well as a message telling the players as such.)

I find this somewhat more logical than a flashback that can get you killed.

As for current Helena, I wanted to complain about the two characters Arthur and Harry (the only sales npcs with names). They sell really useless items, and one of them doesn't even have the choice to sell to. Can they please have some sort of side quests or something attributed for them? I just don't understand their general purpose.

 

[evilsquirrel]

i second this... BRING BACK OLD HELENA... Twas the only dissapointment i felt with the new version.... *cries*

thothie is supposed to be doing this...sometime...