Cannabis, namely marijuana (THC), wrong impression? *SERIOUS

[ceriux]

me as a smoker will say this, i used to be depressed 24/7 i no longer am. i used to get pissed 24/7 im more calm... iv got a really bad back and when i smoke instead of hurting it almost tickles and feels better. i used to be anti social and now iv got friends (not just other smokers)... iv had nothing but good experiences with it ...

 

[Thothie]

me as a smoker will say this:

 

[Fumples]

I'm necro-ing the shit out of this thread, but I just have to say something about this.

Has anyone seen the giant difference between the people want it legalized and the people that don't? The people that don't want it legalized usually write maybe a sentence or two to a paragraph. People that DO want it legalized sometimes end up writing 10-12 paragraphs. I can't seem to figure out why..

 

[Red Cell]

Because they are passionate about their stance, hence they write more. When others could care less, hence they write...less.

 

[Thothie]

I'm necro-ing the **** out of this thread, but I just have to say something about this.

Has anyone seen the giant difference between the people want it legalized and the people that don't? The people that don't want it legalized usually write maybe a sentence or two to a paragraph. People that DO want it legalized sometimes end up writing 10-12 paragraphs. I can't seem to figure out why..

Who, in this thread, was writing that they don't want it legalized? Perhaps you mean to say they don't write at all? :roll:

 

[Tradion]

I dunno thothie, you seemed a little anti legalization on the matter

 

[CrazyMonkeyDude]

I'm not sure I see where you're coming from, Tradion. Nothing Thoth has said indicates that he's against legalization, he's just debating the fact that it's not as good for you as Netrogor is saying. In fact, I don't really see anything saying wether he's for or against it.

I'm for legalization, for personal consumption, medicine, and economical usage. I also think it's funny that America's prohibition on marijuana almost mirrors its previous prohibition of alcohol.

 

[Sabre]

The only thing is that pawt is not as ingrained in America's economy as alcohol and tobacco...Had our founding fathers been toking it up back in the heyday there would be a very different stance today xD

 

[Thothie]

They... Were... >_>

Albeit, mostly for medicinal purposes, but if you had a aching tooth, it was the customary to light up a bowl at the time. Plenty of the founding fathers had tooth issues at point or another.

The founding fathers would have been applaud at the idea of Congress being able to regulate a natural occurring substance. This was an age when they believed the government couldn't even regulate opium.

Even when the law was introduced, in the 1930's, Congress STILL didn't think it had the power to render a natural occurring substance illegal without, at the very least, a constitutional amendment. So instead they put a tax on it, which required a voucher - and simply never printed the voucher. Laws for regulated substances and the FDA didn't come until much later (in 69), and they were quite controversial at the time.

 

[Sabre]

Well yeah, but it wasn't a major part of the economy, like tobacco and booze

 

[Thothie]

Hemp was a major part of the economy - not for consumption, but for materials, straight up until the civil war (after which time most of the major hemp plantations fell to the carpet baggers). Smoking MJ was a major part of the local economies as well, but only for the lower class - as habitual use was considered a vice of the lower class and blacks, but for many ghettos, it was almost as good as currency (sometimes better, due to rampant counterfeiting in 1800's).

The illegality is part of the vicious cycle that has lead to the California budget crisis. Our Republicans, always seeking to eliminate public education, go on and on about what about the outlandishly cushy jobs that teachers get from their union (even when the public school salaries top at about $60k), and cut school funding at every opportunity. Those with poorer educations are statistically much more likely to become addicts. However, the prison worker's union costs the state more than twice as much, and their salaries top at over $200k, with much finer benefits. Jail doesn't really do anything for pot heads but give them more connections, and more often than not, turns minor violators into career criminals, to which they are exposed en mass in jail. Despite this, even with the miniscule release of prisoners we had last year, not a single cut has been made to the prison budget, and 2008's prop 5 - which would have put pot heads in rehab instead of jail, failed miserably, so the prison industry is in perfect shape, and is indeed, the single largest industry in the state, happily churning out repeat customers.

 

[CrazyMonkeyDude]

The only thing is that pawt is not as ingrained in America's economy as alcohol and tobacco...Had our founding fathers been toking it up back in the heyday there would be a very different stance today xD

There's a quote from Thomas Jefferson about smoking while watching the sunset from his back porch. Though whether it was tobacco or marijuana, I can't say for sure.

Also, hemp is very useful in an economical sense. It can be used to make a wide variety of things from paper, medicine (hemp seed oil), to biofuels, to clothes. Obviously, the legalization of which would put a serious dent in sales of some of the larger industries. Even in medicine, you can't trademark a plant, therefore you can't be the only one making serious money off of it for 50 years (I believe that's when they expire, but I might be wrong) before someone else can use it in their own medicinal product. Once you break down THC and turn it into the awful drug they've made it into, one company can trademark that process, even if it's more harmful than vaporizing or consuming marijuana.

 

[Tradion]

that's why i said just "a little" he see's the bad parts on the matter, aswell as the good. I dono I guess usually you don't see people who are for the legalization mention the bad parts which is probably why.

 

[Mikkel]

lolol

 

[Thothie]

*sigh* Sadly, it has become a sin to see more than one side of an issue these days. :roll:

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

*sigh* Sadly, it has become a sin to see more than one side of an issue these days. :roll:

Hey, that's what I was thinking!

 

[Raider666]

How about MJ and creativity anyone? Google "marijuana and art/creativity/music" (pick one) and you'll find some very interesting things. Many artists, poets, and musicians either just smoked it, or actually created their work while intoxicated. If you ask me... I think it is awesome for creativity purposes, as well as recreation.

 

[Thothie]

One shouldn't perform necromancy while stoned - tis how you wind up with deformed zombies, like those in MSC.

As someone who spent over eight years running night clubs, and therefore, booking bands, and witnessing insane amounts of drug consumption... I have to say that I think that the drug use is a result of that culture, and you get into the pinnacles of said culture though charisma and musical talent - so, regardless of what a handful of musicians may say, the evidence would suggest that drugs are a side effect of that creative talent, and not the other way around. In anycase, I'm sure we lose a great deal more musical artists to over-doses and drug-related suicides, than we could ever hope to gain from them. Nevermind all those who could have been great musicians, but gained drug additictions too crippling to allow them to ever blossom.

Not, again, that I believe drugs should be illegal in an effort to defend our talent resources, just saying, drugs do more harm than good. But making them illegal, also does more harm than good. Besides, I kinda miss the contact high I got from running clubs back in the age before it became illegal to smoke inside them. ^_^

 

[FER]

I kinda miss the contact high I got from running clubs back in the age before it became illegal to smoke inside them. ^_^

I dont even like the idea of people smokn inside clubs again. Last time I realized someone was smoking marijuana somewhere near me, my pants ended up smelling like crap (and security beat the crap out of him for smoking pot without even trying to hide it)

 

[PBarnum]

I enjoy Marijuana very much and smoke just about every night. I hardly ever think of it as a drug anymore. More so like a social activity, much like alcohol. There are too many medical benefits over the negatives. And above all, it makes me fell good and happy. Just because its illegal, people get overly protective from it, rather than researching it for themselves.

Needless to say, I am so happy I live in California right now. /Patiently waiting for the law to pass

 

[Thothie]

Wouldn't hold your breath (or that last hit)... We couldn't even pass the bill that stopped putting folks in jail for possession during the peak of the financial crisis, during the same year Massachusetts managed to pass an even more generous law to the same effect. Tis the same reason the hippies lost the culture wars, I guess - potheads don't vote. :\

Even if it does pass, I suspect it'll be tied up in the courts for years before it can have any effect, given the obvious conflicts with federal laws. And while Obama says he won't fux with the states' choice to legalize, actions speak louder than words, and this is more true of Obama than any previous president I can name, seeming to only be the Bush regime, with less embarrassing speeches. (Even the health care "reform" was so right wing it could have been co-written by Newt Gingrich and Limbaugh. The only reason the republicrats fought it so hard was to hurt Obama, and if it hadn't passed, I suspect we would have seen the exact same bill from them under a new name come the next republicrat administration.)

Still, I never even expected to see such a proposition hit the books in my lifetime.

I'll be glad if we do start seeing those in 7-11's though. I'm sure wandering in public stoned would still get you taken in under public intoxication laws, and it couldn't lead to anymore wandering pot heads than we already have, at least around here.

Only issue being, is that I like to buy a pack of menthols when I come down with a cold... I'd hate to mix the green packages up. :| Wouldn't help my cold any - although it might make me not care about it.

(Plus I suspect several of my friends would be put out of business and rendered destitute by such a change, but I suspect they may be among those who vote for it anyways. >_>)

 

[Raider666]

Re: Cannabis, namely marijuana (THC), wrong impression? *SER

One shouldn't perform necromancy while stoned - tis how you wind up with deformed zombies, like those in MSC.

As someone who spent over eight years running night clubs, and therefore, booking bands, and witnessing insane amounts of drug consumption... I have to say that I think that the drug use is a result of that culture, and you get into the pinnacles of said culture though charisma and musical talent - so, regardless of what a handful of musicians may say, the evidence would suggest that drugs are a side effect of that creative talent, and not the other way around. In anycase, I'm sure we lose a great deal more musical artists to over-doses and drug-related suicides, than we could ever hope to gain from them. Nevermind all those who could have been great musicians, but gained drug additictions too crippling to allow them to ever blossom.

Not, again, that I believe drugs should be illegal in an effort to defend our talent resources, just saying, drugs do more harm than good. But making them illegal, also does more harm than good. Besides, I kinda miss the contact high I got from running clubs back in the age before it became illegal to smoke inside them. ^_^

Im not talking about the hard drugs that can actually turn people into shriveled husks with sores and then kill them, just a little MJ. And I think that the creativity does stem from the use of MJ as it puts your mind in an altered state, not the other way around. As long as you set your creative objective BEFORE you get stoned, otherwise you'll end up sitting around doing nothing but eating stuff trying to think about what you are going to create E.G. Im gonna smoke and write a song, or paint a picture, orrr... make a model ---- then you smoke, and then you do it, and usually it turns out badass!

 

[jon50559]

Re: Cannabis, namely marijuana (THC), wrong impression? *SER

Yeah -unrelated post warning, kind of- I was watching a documentary on LSD and they were doing a test on some scientists, who were mulling over a large problem they needed to solve, and had been working on it for a few months. So they were given LSD and were left in a room together, then a few hours later they were checked up on and nearly every person had solved whatever problem was bothering them. So I suppose hallucinogens may affect creativity, allowing you to view things from a totally different angle than you would be able to otherwise.

Not to say any sort of drug is without harmful side-effects to people who abuse it, which always happens sooner or later.