New anti farming boss system for the birds.

[vecraude]

No puns intended, but this damage reduction on death thing sucks...I mean yea its probably a try at keeping people from farming, but it will only lead to more players exploiting so they dont die. Its a double bladed sword...you can keep the farmers at bay but increase exploitation, though this be sheer logic and common sense, I also understand that with work and other crap going on...well....thinking this through fully could be diffacult.

People complaining about the bosses bein too hard or easy just dont comprehend the build of the bosses, right now I previously posted about certain lodagond bosses being hard enough as is,well....this new system is gonna drive what little is left away from MSC for sure cause maldora isnt gettin any easier for even a 5 man group 40+.

And the people who farm for trade loot and crap like that? STOP, jesus, thothie is making it harder cause you slackers cant even run the gauntlet let alone just stop farming and be fair to less fortunate players, im lucky in this earlier run I got lich and AoB, but thats cause I pulled my weight at 2nd place the whole run.

If the farming stops, things get a little easier, but for now, with the way things are...you die TWICE to runegahr and you deal NO damage WHAT SO EVER >.<...To prevent farming undoubtedly. So in a logical sense, I am also speaking for everyone that dont farm when I say "QUIT THE BS", its gettin old farmers, seriously. Go run lodagond and see what your gluttony has gotten us, the hard working community. Thanks a lot. !!!

 

[allentrill1000]

This is a friends agreeance and addition to Vecraudes Post....Now there are 2 Complaints...
I died once it said 80 percent effective...i died twice it said no damage....
Ok for one......why?
What is the point of 2 deaths and the game ends?
If we loose damage as we die why do we need to do less damage?
If we loose damage as we die why do we need health potions?
THis is the one point that will probably loose half of MSC players....
If ur gonna do a damage reduction by death penalty make an armor the stops it instead of exp loss....If i wanted to have in basic 2 lives to play a game id play pacman....but since i like rebirth and no weakness i chose msc....Now pacman has more lives than MSC. Ok somewhere in between here and there ive got lost....Its like putting a quarter in the machine dieing and then adding another quarter....yet if we loose damage ability we have to quit playing and then do nothing....So now theres gonna be 8 ppl in a server and 90% of time 7 of them will be sitting on their butts doing nothing while one guy has to work...
Or a group of players reloading the map countless times trying to get the point where more than one can hit him....I know im not the only one who hates this addition...and i know that there are some who want it....But and option to turn it on and off would be alot fairer to those of us who want to play and have fun and not have to wait till map reloads to do damage....Now i wish that it was a bug but then again its a bug that needs not to be fixed but removed or on/off switch....I love msc and i like the majority of the updates....but now im beginning to wonder why? I want to play and have fun....now theres new modifications that make this game 10 times harder....Im not a young kid im and adult and i like MMORPG and PRG like Final Fantasy,Oblivion,etc....THe reason those arent the same now is...I die in an RPG i go back to last save...(no save in MSC but respawn--same thing), i die in and RPG i dont loose damagae ability...(I do in MSC)...The bosses in RPG's Dont make me wish i could have god mode...(MSC Runegahr and Maldora Do)...Now i know that this was(supposedly) a well thought out patch and i agree that its cool....yet already i jump of rafters runegahr spams LS and Tornado under me as i fall....UH Both at the same time? How? I die......I respawn run at hime hit him for 20% less damgage...then stunned and tornado point blank i go flying....into LS...and dead again? And then i goto hit runegahr and nothing? What? WHAT? HOW? WHY?
The point is in case you skipped to read the end....The bosses are bad enough....now there is no point in Fighting bosses anymore.....Even with 600HP+ 8 players in a room Runegahr still takes 20+ minutes to kill(exageration probably only 18 minutes) Just because after 2 deaths noone can do anything except yell at him.....Which In one movie at least works...I gues if i could still hit him with something anything even a toothpick i wouldnt be mad...yet i can tell u one thing...Prepare for the flood of Congratulations.....and the Armageddon of Complaints....Because i for one am not the only one to disagree....

Allentrill

 

[FER]

Dont worry, its still a beta, so there time to make more changes.

Next month expect Thothie to add a paragraph system so players wont exploit wall o' text

 

[vecraude]

I knew it was still in beta since the time thothie uploaded it, but were just voicing our opinions on the bosses in this patch so thothie and any of the devs know what to work on immediatly instead of wating a few hours. Granted thothie might not jump at the conclusion instantly, but im sure he will think of another one...I just pray it wont be too late before he does, cause already a few hours old and this patch is buggin the crap outta me with just the bosses x.x...

 

[The Man In Black]

It's not anti farming.. The point of the system is to stop unworthy people from killing bosses. =| And, yes. Thothie HATES farming, which is why he made the "farm all day" cvar.

Oh, and if people aren't farming for items, what, pray tell, should they be doing? At level 40+, levelling becomes tedious. But my favorite part of this point is that if you are farming for exp, where would you go? Can't farm any maps with items or else people will complain that that's how items get nerfed or whatnot :roll:

 

[vecraude]

Im pointing more towards the farmers that would farm for XP then turn around and use their damage points to raid the arti chest of the most expensive things to trade off later, Ive been seeing that a lot lately and as far as im concerned, their gluttony has gotten us screwed, and they could probably care less.

As is we had 5 lvl 36+ players against runegahr, before the patch? it was possable, MORE than possable, now with the new patch? pfft its horrable, you probably see it in a neutural way, not bad nor good, but let me say this...those who run lodagond for loot that they need that they dont have is justifyable, but when you run it just to get stuff you have to trade for stuff you dont have? when their are people in the server trying to GET that item? its low, its dirty, and its total BS.

THAT is the act of farming in which couldnt infuriate me more, and that is the farming which called for this boss nerf.

 

[allentrill1000]

I for one dont care if people farm or gangbang the bosses or whatnot....I care that when i play a game i want a chance to win it.....Like i stated earlier post maybe i should make a difference list so that everyone knows exactly what i mean when i say something...so here it goes...and ill limit it to 5 ikes dislikes for each.
RPG Likes
1: LIke the idea of Parties controlled by me or my buddy on second controller.
2: Like the save points then if i die well restart from closer area...
3: Weapons Dont always work on bosses but the bosses always have at least one weakness if u have that weapon or spell.
4: Bosses tend to have lots of HP and MP yet they tend to always have same rules that apply to me...
5: I dont have to hope a friend visits or whatnot to play and beat the game...i can do it solo...even if i have to level to max.
RPG Dislikes
1: 90%of the time leveling is faster than it is tedious..yet 10% of the time from 1-10 it takes hours....
2: My knife half the time doesnt hit a boss for more than 1 point even with max strength...
3: If it even hits him.
4: Some times it takes 1-3 days to fully beat and RPG sometimes well looooonger..
5: It ends.
MSC Likes
1: Awesome armors and weapons.(That use to be fairly easy to obtain)
2: Bosses that look good.
3: Maps that are Stunning.....
4: Some spells that are well the best..
5: I can run through 60% of the maps solo....
MSC Dislikes
1: Armor and weapons that look awesome yet are worthless vs bosses
2: Spamming Bosses that can cast 2 spells on top of me before i can cast ice shield or glow once....
3: Having to play with people i dont know.
4: Having ot find a full server of people who arent rude and mean in order to have a chance.
5: Leveling is way to slow...

Now that you know this when you read my other posts you can understand why..TY

Allentrill

 

[Thothie]

You should have to die to a boss 10 times before you become inept against him, not 2.

Were you dieing to bosses 10 times in a row before? How the hell did you ever kill them?

Admitedly life gets hard on you after 5 times, but seeing as how someone already got the Blood Drinker... Assuming he did so legitly... (Which I have my doubts, lest someone can atest to having been on the quest with him...)

I fail to see how this is anti-farming in anyway. If you die to a boss 10 times, under the old system, your feeding him so much you could never hope to defeat him anyways.

 

[Picadilly]

Admitedly life gets hard on you after 5 times, but seeing as how someone already got the Blood Drinker... Assuming he did so legitly... (Which I have my doubts, lest someone can atest to having been on the quest with him...)

If ur talking about Slay, I was there and I can't really see how one would ''sploit'' that transaction. We got 3 Blooddrinkers tonight, and had people joining the server saying they got them and giving the play-by-play on how to get it.

Were caught in a trap
I cant walk out
Because I love you too much baby

Why cant you see
What youre doing to me
When you dont believe a word I say?

We cant go on together
With suspicious minds
And we cant build our dreams
On suspicious minds

So, if an old friend I know
Drops by to say hello
Would I still see suspicion in your eyes?

Here we go again
Asking where Ive been
You cant see these tears are real
Im crying

We cant go on together
With suspicious minds
And be cant build our dreams
On suspicious minds

Oh let our love survive
Or dry the tears from your eyes
Lets dont let a good thing die

When honey, you know
Ive never lied to you
Mmm yeah, yeah

 

[allentrill1000]

Twice.....onece to tornado and once to Lightning storm spawns...
2 Times
no more it just musta been glitched because the second time i fought now it worked 10% loss

Allentrill

 

[Thothie]

If ur talking about Slay, I was there and I can't really see how one would ''sploit'' that transaction. We got 3 Blooddrinkers tonight, and had people joining the server saying they got them and giving the play-by-play on how to get it.

Wow... You went through all those maps three times already? Okay, so long as someone else was there with him, I believe you, but jeeze, you guys farm fast.

 

[Slaytanic_pb]

Um, Thothie... I hope you are not thinking that I got the blood drinker illegally. I'm asking because you may have seen this post - viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5602
If you have any doubts about it, you can ask Orochi, as he was there when I got it and I'm pretty sure he was there for the whole quest. There are others that were there too, like Picadilly and Phoenix, and there were a few more that I forget.
After having done the quest, I have no idea how one could get it the "easy" way. That quest seems like you HAVE to do it in order, and there's no other way around it. Anyways it's now morning and I've played that quest 3 times through and I'm very tired.

Maybe you were thinking/hoping it would take longer for the new sword to be found...

 

[Thothie]

Well, it should be obvious where it was - it's just I put up the patch less than 12 hours ago - I thought it'd take longer to get a 40+ crew to do the maps - and the way you stated it, it sounded like you Solo'd it - and that'd be well, suspicious.

Granted, the end battle is actually EASIER if you do the quest right. Vengence seems to be a very good motivation for an Orc.

 

[Picadilly]

I thought Runegahr's trash talking to Maldora was even cooler than the loot !

 

[Thothie]

I'm just glad we could get two bosses in the same room without a crash. Granted, one's holding back quite a bit, since the other's immune to half his stuff anyways.

 

[!=-PhoeniX-=!]

It's a very tricky way indeed. I like how you made the quest. But theres one question about it:
Runegahr says something about coming back to lodagond-1 and showing him the sword. He becomes your friend at the end of lodagond-4 if you do it right. Orichi mentioned this when Slay got the BD. So we did the series again and Slay used the sword once he spawned but nothing happened.

 

[Thothie]

He says to show the sword if you show up at Shaddhar Palace. Sadly, our quest system isn’t very dynamic, so if you go to Lodagond-1 again, I guess yer basically going back in time… Or… Something… >_>

Since you were the first to have the guts to ask, here you are, as promised.

Worry not, I have a spare back at Shahaddara... A couple spares, actually.

If you ever dare to step foot within the walls of the palace, be sure to find me.

You maybe lowly human's, but you've proven yourself true warriors all. Our doors are always open to true warriors.

...but when you do visit us, be sure to show me that sword. All you human's look alike to me.

That having been said, I must leave before this citidel comes crashing down - I suggest you do the same.

Basically, what happens at Shahaddar palace will depend on whether or not you have the sword with you. (PS. Banking it might screw up that system.)

 

[!=-PhoeniX-=!]

Well that just sucks. But i think BD throw is way too much mana. Pica said it was 100 just to do 12 dmg 5 times. The average slash dmg is great thought.

 

[Thothie]

It stays in orbit without you around and can no-clip wall hack, so I wanted to make sure it didn't get too out of hand, but yeah, I'll consider nerfing the mana cost. It can be devastating to tightly nit groups of monsters though. (It really does use the same script that Runegahr's uses)

 

[Slaytanic_pb]

Well, I'm glad that you believe that the new BD sword has been gotten legally. I didn't get it the first time I ran through the quest and someone gave me an idea how to get it and I tried it and it worked. As you noticed I didn't say anything about how I got it, as I didn't want to be labeled a spoiler. I'm kind of surprised that so much has been said about it. Not that it should matter too much, as I'm sure those who play this game enough will know how to get it within a week or so.

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

stop farming

FUCK YOU.

Edit: The rest of the thread was interesting though.

 

[Durak]

Sounds cool. I don't think everyone should worry about farming so much though (Thothie). As long as all the good and new weapons have high weights a good player won't just dump all the best eq on a new player. Although if the good player stays and plays with the new player he can twink him as he levels but I don't think that's an issue. It happens in every game.

Edit: I guess I sound kind of cold considering the work you put into the new content and the time it takes people to get it. I mean to say that you should be glad people are enjoying it instead of it being hard to farm.

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

As The Man In Black already pointed out, Thothie quite clearly actually does not have a problem with farming (me neither, contrary to the whino topic author) because he actually made the CVAR ms_farm_all_day which allows you to vote for a map you're already on, for accelerated farming.

 

[Thothie]

I suspect, when the boss resist system works right, it has no affect on farming at all, nor was it intended to, thus the title of the thread is for the birds to begin with, but being an ibis and all...

...closest thing we have to anti-farming is the new arti system... and I wasn't even thinking about that when I installed it, tis just a happy side effect.

Don't care much if folks farm the same series of maps all day (just seems rather boring to me), but it'd be nice if they didn't twink everyone in sight, knowing full well it just encourages me to amp the weapon restrictions, and discourages people actually playing the game for themselves.

 

[Tetsmega1]

More importantly, if everyone dies at least once to maldora, you'll have to start loda ALL OVER AGAIN

you die once to him and he's instantly immune to you.