New Aritfact System
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Yes, I think we all did have the hammer, but do you see my point Thothie? Before, the highest damage points could pick whatever they wanted first. If that person didn't want the hammer it would go onto the next in line and so on to the last. If no one picked that hammer by the time it got to the last person, then they would get it. Every step of the way there is choice if the n00b gets the hammer or not. Now the arti-chest system chooses for us.
Yes, the system as it is prevents me or others from taking the best items for someone else or hoarding them. And I guess after you seeing so many people complain about how it's not fair that they don't get an item or not, I can see why you want to do this. But I don't see why it's up to you via this new system to decide for others how to pick who gets what. It's like you are forcing the higher level characters to give up the good stuff to the weaker players, and it doesn't matter if they earned it or not. I understand that not everyone gets along with everyone else in this game and there are also a few loners out there who really need this, as they probably won't get anything without it, but it doesn't really encourage trying to make friends or work things out between other players.
What it will encourage is for me to password the server so that I keep out people from joining the server just in time to get the best loot. It's not something I like to do as our server has been open to everyone for a long time, and it how I want to keep it. But with this new system, it is something I strongly feel like doing.
Yes, the system as it is prevents me or others from taking the best items for someone else or hoarding them. And I guess after you seeing so many people complain about how it's not fair that they don't get an item or not, I can see why you want to do this. But I don't see why it's up to you via this new system to decide for others how to pick who gets what. It's like you are forcing the higher level characters to give up the good stuff to the weaker players, and it doesn't matter if they earned it or not. I understand that not everyone gets along with everyone else in this game and there are also a few loners out there who really need this, as they probably won't get anything without it, but it doesn't really encourage trying to make friends or work things out between other players.
What it will encourage is for me to password the server so that I keep out people from joining the server just in time to get the best loot. It's not something I like to do as our server has been open to everyone for a long time, and it how I want to keep it. But with this new system, it is something I strongly feel like doing.
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Aren't you excluded from the artis if you don't have a certain amount of HP? Or was that removed with the new system?
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Except I'm not "so good," and I stand to benefit from this system. But wheter its in place or not, I'll still work just as hard to get higher damage points. I like this system and the idea behind it, but I think you should factor in something to keep what happened to Picadilly from happening (perhaps keeping people with less than 50% of the top scorer's score from getting said item). I myself was not there though, and so far, I haven't run into any major problems.Durak said:
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actually, i <3 the arty system. because of it, i got 2 orions, 1 AoB, 1 h4xbow and an northmaul (which i gave phoenix)
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All Thothie has to do is make it so you have to be on the server for 5 minutes or else it excludes you. The system is fine it's just item whores that dislike it.
No one has mentioned it but I bet your real concern is that you can't save all the items to twink your friend. He has to actually play with you, even if he doesn't do anything, to get them? That sucks.
Durak said:
lol. See the ironic thing is i play with Mouse and Corn, and they don't offer to give stuff away, they offer to run it with you and help you get it. Same in the last patch with the old arti system.
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Yeah, tis exactly what it's designed to do.
But when 7 players with Bludgeon Hammers come across an arti chest, and an eighth ân00bâ player comes in, who doesnât have it, gets it (and canât be all THAT n00b if he can actually pick it up) â and that is seen as an inequity â further, one that requires locking of all servers - thatâs not a problem with the artifact system, thatâs a problem with people. I mean, how twisted does your sense of justice have to be before that seems unfair?
Granted, itâs not just a problem with MSC, most of the problems in the world are caused by that attitude.
Iâve mixed feelings working on a game that seems to attract folks like that (again, Gaz getting to me). Iâm almost feeling the need to install a bunch of quests with moral quandaries regarding the destructiveness of greed, or some such, to atone for appealing to such base behavior. As this ideology is disgusting, if not downright disturbing.
But when 7 players with Bludgeon Hammers come across an arti chest, and an eighth ân00bâ player comes in, who doesnât have it, gets it (and canât be all THAT n00b if he can actually pick it up) â and that is seen as an inequity â further, one that requires locking of all servers - thatâs not a problem with the artifact system, thatâs a problem with people. I mean, how twisted does your sense of justice have to be before that seems unfair?
Granted, itâs not just a problem with MSC, most of the problems in the world are caused by that attitude.
Iâve mixed feelings working on a game that seems to attract folks like that (again, Gaz getting to me). Iâm almost feeling the need to install a bunch of quests with moral quandaries regarding the destructiveness of greed, or some such, to atone for appealing to such base behavior. As this ideology is disgusting, if not downright disturbing.
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I think I've been saying what Thothie said for a while lol. Ironically we were called "free arti givers away :|" Truth is there isn't, and can't be a perfect system. It really is dependent on the people who play the game.
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Was i complaining about the new system? Dont think so. Read a little more carefully next time.
How i read what you were saying is that Mouse and Corn give items away, i was simply denying that.
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Would it be possible to rig a system such that you must have a certain percentage of the total points scored to get access to the artifact chest? For example, anyone that did less than 10% of the total damage done is not eligible for the reward.
Thothie, I'm not sure how you understand my posts as myself saying "I'm t3h l33t pl4y4 and I w4nt 4ll t3h l00t!!1!!1!! I'm t3h gr33d m45t4!!11!!11!!".
As far as I understand it, you don't like it if I'm able twink out lower level characters by just giving them stuff they have no hope of getting by themselves, or even in as a group of that lower level. But with this new arti-chest system, it's not me doing the twinking anymore, it's you.
Remember where we were when we didn't have the arti-chest system? Remember the roll system the was used? Man, those were good times!! The fights that would break out over the items, people would roll for items in the middle of the map run or even in the begining, or even before the map had changed. The best is when people would ninja the chest, man that felt soooo good to have someone ninja a chest that I worked so hard for.
The higher level players complained about this - "Why do I have to roll for something, when it was me who did all the hard work", and you agree with that statment. Then things got changed to the arti-chest system, and things were good. It was like you understood the plight of the higher level characters, and you wanted to reward them for doing the work.
Now it's seems like you've gone 180 on this, and you don't like (I'd say hate, but that's too strong of a word) the higher level players and want the chest ninjas back.
As far as I understand it, you don't like it if I'm able twink out lower level characters by just giving them stuff they have no hope of getting by themselves, or even in as a group of that lower level. But with this new arti-chest system, it's not me doing the twinking anymore, it's you.
Remember where we were when we didn't have the arti-chest system? Remember the roll system the was used? Man, those were good times!! The fights that would break out over the items, people would roll for items in the middle of the map run or even in the begining, or even before the map had changed. The best is when people would ninja the chest, man that felt soooo good to have someone ninja a chest that I worked so hard for.
The higher level players complained about this - "Why do I have to roll for something, when it was me who did all the hard work", and you agree with that statment. Then things got changed to the arti-chest system, and things were good. It was like you understood the plight of the higher level characters, and you wanted to reward them for doing the work.
Now it's seems like you've gone 180 on this, and you don't like (I'd say hate, but that's too strong of a word) the higher level players and want the chest ninjas back.
Slaytanic_pb said:
The difference is that it's not one person who is selectively twinking his friends. It's a person who does not do the most damage (may not be level 5, just doesn't have the highest damage points). This way people who actually played the map get the items and people who don't have a less chance at being twinked.
The only way you'll get a duplicate to twink your friend is if everyone on the server has one. If your friend is on the server fighting with you and is the highest of the people who already have it then he deserves it.
You won't have one person getting all of the best items in the case where you're not twinking and just saving it for his friends. It works out all around and I think it's a fine system.
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Part of the original idea behind the artifact chest system was to stop nubs running by and stealing items from chests that you didn't yet have. If you already have the item, that's an entirely different situation, and really, the person who doesn't have it should get first pick at it, regardless of how little work he did. The current system doesn't garuntee that, but makes it more likely.
They really need to teach Ethics 101 in high school. World would be so much better...
They really need to teach Ethics 101 in high school. World would be so much better...
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Thothie said:
I took ethics when I was in college, exam was take home. I didn't do the day it was due, so I cut class did it at the library then lied about it.
Yes I passed. At least according to the professor.
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Whats scary is i like this new artifact system...it helps the people who dont have stuff to get stuff that otherwise someone else would get to give to their "friends".. Not saying thats a bad thing, i am all up for helping someone get something...But if they sit at home watching tv while you get them what they want and then when they get on you give it to them thats ridiculous....And if they are on the run with you and they dont have the item then chances are they will get it because they dont have it...Just think once everyone has the item you might get a chance to get a second one, whats wrong with that? How do we determine who deserves something and who doesn't? Yes i for one asked for a chance to get artifacts easier and well ill be this is better than i could of asked for....Yes i get many choices and majority of them are duplicates but at least now i get a chance to pick...Now everyone gets a fair chance to "earn" something....what more can you ask for?
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