problems burning disc for use on DVD player

[FER]

Been trying to convert some video so I can watch them on my DVD player, however I always get audio delay after converting the video files to DVD (.vob), which is only noticeable when I watch them on the DVD player.

If anyone has any idea how to solve this it would be appreciated.

In any case im using Xilisoft video converter to convert the videos and windows DVD maker to burn them.

 

[Thothie]

I use TMPGEnc 3.0 XPress and TMPGEnc DVD Author when I want to do that... Neither of which is free, sadly.

It sounds like you have a VBR audio stream that's making the system puke - or an AC3 audio stream that's not converting right. TMPGEnc can usually deal with this, but if this is not the case with your system, you may try using a video converter, such as Super or AVIMux to seperate the audio and video tracks and recombine them, or translate the video into some other codec that your DVD software can handle more easily. Sometimes you can use Virtual Dub to extract and re-interleve the tracks, but you have to have the proper codecs then (not some generic FDDSHOW codec package or the like). Since it's Windows DVD maker you are dealing with, you might even consider converting the video source into a WMV via Windows Movie Maker, and then running it through.

 

[Borya]

which is only noticeable when I watch them on the DVD player.

I'd suggest trying them on another DVD player if you're able, just to be sure it isn't the DVD player.

...such as Super...

I fucking love SUPER ©.

 

[FER]

Well, now I was using WINavi video converter which has a preview option where you can set up a delay in the audio, but for some reason no sound is played so I can measure the delay, I guess now ill have to check those program oyu mentioned.

 

[Thothie]

It's probably an AC3 5.1 audio stream and either you've got no codec for it, and it's simply built into your player, or the program you're using to convert doesn't. There are converters specifically for that audio format, but with all the trouble of separating the audio and video streams, converting them, then re-interleaving them, it's likely best to simply convert the whole thing into another format straight away with Super or the like.

If it's a VBR audio stream, simply adding a delay won't work - because the amount of delay caused by the non-standard VBR encode will vary by the bitrate of the video an audio (ie. go in and out of sync at various places throughout the movie).

 

[FER]

Well, it seems SUPER might work, as the video doesnt get any delay each time I FFforward it on my PC. Problem is that Windows DVD maker cant burn the DVD followed by a error window, now maybe I'll have to figure what configuration in the encoding process causes this.

 

[Thothie]

I've never used Windows DVD maker... Does it encode, or just burn? If it encodes, and it's choking on the encode process, odds are it doesn't like the codec Super put out... Which likely means that, after you've got the video/audio all in sync with Super, you'll have to convert the resulting video, again, into a format Win DVD will accept.

Microsoft hates open-source codecs, and it's not unusual for them to deliberately lack support for them. Thus, the most likely codecs to supported by Microsoft programs are: Divx (5+), MS-mpeg4-v1, MS-mpeg4-v2, and WMV7+.

You can also convert just about anything Windows Media Player will play into Microsoft-WMV format with Windows Movie Maker, however, it's very restrictive as to what sizes and aspect ratios you can use.

All this re-re-converting will have some impact on the video quality - although it'll be less if you keep the bitrates high - and the quality loss of going to DVD format will likely be the most staggering, in any case, unless the original video is of rather poor quality.

 

[FER]

Ok, then then what alternative could I have besides windows dvd maker? (it does encode)

 

[Thothie]

I dunno of a good free one - I've already mentioned the not-so-free one I tend to use (TMPGEnc+Author). Most of the one-click ones tend to come up with really crappy quality. Re-re-converting maybe a pain, but if you keep the bit-rates high, the quality loss should be minimal, and you shouldn't have to do it for every video - likely just those with VBR audio streams and open source codecs (albiet, that includes just about all unlicensed anime).

 

[FER]

So TMPGEnc both encodes and burn DVDs?

 

[Thothie]

TMPGEnc Xpress encodes video... TMPGEnc Author makes menus and burns the actual VOB format DVD... But again, neither is free... The encoder offers a lot of superfluous technical options (although not as many as the non-Xpress variant), but if you stick with the defaults, you should be fine.

You *might* try: http://www.trustfm.net/divx/SoftwareAvi2Dvd.php?b2=1

It is free, but I've never tried it... It is made by an on-line aquaintance of mine though, and he usually makes good stuff. (Albiet, what he usually does is make front end GUI's to consolidate existing command-line based freeware utilities.)

 

[FER]

LOL, you talk as if its impossible to get it for free on the internet

 

[Thothie]

*gasp* As if I would EVER encourage such a thing!

Actually TMPGEnc isn't *that* over-priced for professional quality video and 1080HD support (which almost nothing else has). It does irk me that they once offered some packages where the encoder and author is seperate, which is kind of a scam, since you can't really make much use of one without the other... But I think they quit doing that. Still, if this is something you only ever intend to do once or twice, ~$70 is asking a lot.

 

[FER]

Could it work if I encode with SUPER and burn with TMPGEnc author?

 

[Thothie]

It'd be tricky... You'd have to set the MPEG-II codec in Super to be completely DVD compliant. The audio track would have to be AC3, Linear PCM, or MP2 (depending on what version of Author you have - probably safest with MP2).

DVD Complaint MPEG-2's are (and I'm going mostly off the top of my head here):
Ratio: 704x480 or 720x480 or 352x480 or 352x240
Bitrate: Between 1000 and 8000
FPS: 23.976 fps (internally 29.97 fps)
MP2 Audio Bitrate: 192, 224, 256, 320, or 384
AC3 Bitate: Any
PCM Bitrate: 705 (fixed)
Sample Frequency: 48Khz

I think there's a few other odd things about that DVD Compliant MPEG-2 have that may not be accessible from Super. Such as limited buffer sizes, DC component precision, GOP Structure, Quantinizer and the like... However, I can't think of any other reason why Super would bother including a MPEG-2 codec, so it maybe the settings it uses for those are already DVD standard.

Even if this is the case, however, I suspect you'll likely not be getting the best quality for the bitrate. You'll have to keep the bitrate low enough that it doesn't exceed the size of your DVD±R (+menu), but at the same time, you won't be able to set it higher than 8k and be sure your DVD player will take it. Quantinize matrixes, GOP Structure, and other such features, that Super doesn't support (not to mention basic filtering and color adjustment), go a long way to making the visual quality difference. But if you can get it to work, and the quality is tolerable, more power to you.

 

[FER]

Well, I got TMPGEnc, but after encoding I get sound delay.

How can I fix that?

 

[Thothie]

TMPGEnc gave you a sound delay? :\

Did you try encoding the sync'd file you made with SUPER?

If not, I'm guessing maybe your codec is bad, and ye'd better do it that way.

If you did... Jeeze, short of seeing the file, I've no idea what's going on there. :\ What codec is it?

If you have an older version of TMPGEnc, it'll tend not to be as dynamic with the input codecs it can handle.

PS. In TMPGEnc Xpress, you can also try:
Option->Preferences...->[Input Plugin Panel]
Uncheck "Microsoft MPEG-1 Decoder" under VFAPI plugin section.
Make sure "Direct Show Multimedia File Reader" is the first VFAPI on the list, if you can play the video with throuigh fddshow without delay (if you don't use fddshow - make sure that the codec that the video uses is the first in the VFAPI list, if it appears there).

 

[FER]

Make sure "Direct Show Multimedia File Reader" is the first VFAPI on the list

Microsoft MPEG-1 Decoder is the only one that appears on the list anyway

 

[Thothie]

Damned Vista... I forgot they removed access to the Direct Show Multimedia File Reader as it violated the media protection - and never bothered to replace it with anything... *sigh* That might be fatal, lest you have a system with XP laying about.

 

[Blasto121]

if your still having issues might I suggest NERO Recode, I use it all the time for ripping and burning dvd files all the time. The program also has the ability to work with other video files and uses most of the known codecs, the program can take your file convert it scale it do whatever and then put it on a dvd for you.

The program is quite powerful.

 

[FER]

Do you know if Nero 9 includes nero recode?

 

[Thothie]

I've had very bad experiences with Nero Encode, but I've also not tried it in a long time... I doubt even the newest version is codec independant (only freeware packages are, due to the legal implications), so if you have a codec issue, Nero won't save you. Strange that Super hasn't though...

What video and audio codec is this beast? And what codec did Super translate it into that stayed sync?

 

[FER]

Well SUPER did the job but damn Windowd dvd maker wont encode the crap

 

[Blasto121]

all the latest versions of nero include nero recode.

my personal experience with nero recode has shown me nothing can do a better job at not only converting video but putting it on a disk. Specially when it come to DVD's, when I first used it I was surprise how quickly nero recode was not only able to convert my video but do it well. Not to mention making 1 to 1 dvd clones of things even though I had to loose maybe sometimes upto 60 percent of the quality it was still really high quality. The latest versions have only improved upon this ability.

so is it a specific video file your trying to burn to a dvd? I know back in the day when Red vs Blue was first coming out I took those video files and stuck them onto a DVD without any issues using nero recode or I should say the other program which eludes me right now. That program allows you to author a dvd and then create a readable dvd iso which can then be burned to a dvd to be played in a dvd player. Also had the choice of VCD or SVCD, if I didn't have DVD

 

[FER]

Im trying to burn many videos into a DVD, all of them in .avi format, some old as **** anime