The Parry problem- And how to fix it easily

[Gandalf the Grey]

The parry problem is a long bemoaned fate amongst MSC players.... impossible to stop from maxing by level 30 some say. For some people, the maxing of parry is a sad thing, destroying their hard earned (INSERT NON PARRY TITLE HERE). Not EVERYONE wants to be a fencer by level 30.... XD. This is just a small thing that bothers me, and that I think can be fixed rather easily. Rather than completely nerfing parry (like some players would have it- but then how would we ever do the_wall?), why not just change it so you only TRAIN parry while you have a shield? (you can still parry when holding just a sword/mace/whatever, but that would not give you xp). This i feel is a simple compromise that can make both sides happy, still having the ability to parry- and the ability to not lose those awesome titles we all love -_-.

Please provide feedback and discussion

 

[CrazyMonkeyDude]

Parry is going to be removed as a trainable skill, and is only going to be determined by your weapon and shield. The placeholders are already even in effect (open up the console when you take out a weapon and it'll tell you what your parry will be). Otherwise Parry is still an easily abusable skill that people will use to inflate their level.

This way, you'll still have the ability to parry, but it'll make more sense. How are you going to parry with a giant axe of dewm as well as you would with a dagger and shield(deflecting aside) or even a two-handed sword?

EDIT: Thoth explains it in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7693&p=117028

 

[Thothie]

Replied to this one before the forum rollback as well...

Like CMD said, parry will be a combination of your weapon skill and shield multiplier.

Titles will no longer be based on skills (parry or otherwise) under the new title system. You will be titled "Adventurer" until you choose a specific title, with specific functions and various levels of specialization based on your desired role, rather than what weapons you happen to use the most.

Really tempted to eliminate the current title system entirely pending that. People put way too much energy into what their title might be, when it really means nothing, at the moment.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Wow is that title system going to come into effect next patch? Cause i must admit that would be kickass. The only reason people focus on titles so much is because they're trying desperately not to become a fencer... -.-. People DO want variety.... And having even hazily outlined class would help kill the non-teamwork part of this game.

 

[The Man In Black]

They won't be next patch. They'll probably be the patch after I have enough time to assist Thothie. :\

 

[zeus9860]

They won't be next patch. They'll probably be the patch after I have enough time to assist Thothie. :\

Holy **** and i thought you guys planned that for a future patch in like a year or so, never expected it to be that close

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

They won't be next patch. They'll probably be the patch after I have enough time to assist Thothie. :\

Holy **** and i thought you guys planned that for a future patch in like a year or so, never expected it to be that close

Thats good news... Well it IS something msc badly needs- The items/weapon stuff has progressed quite far enough, now it just needs some structure

 

[The Man In Black]

I think you misunderstand.. I don't have time to help Thothie. If I ever get a chance, we can put it together, but that's not going to happen for quite awhile.

 

[CrazyMonkeyDude]

I think I need to put forth some more effort to learning the jumble that is MSC++...

Thought judging my efforts in scripting, I really need to work on my syntax. I'll take another look at what I've got from you, MiB, and see if I can't understand more of the code, as outdated as what I have is. Hell, I need to find VS2005 again, not that I'd be doing any compiling any time soon.

 

[Thothie]

Ya need VS2003 for MSC++ anyways. :\

 

[CrazyMonkeyDude]

Sorry, error in version. Just how out of the loop I am ATM

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

I think you misunderstand.. I don't have time to help Thothie. If I ever get a chance, we can put it together, but that's not going to happen for quite awhile.

DAMNIT! Gawd i had gotten excited there for a minute... ): Hopefully crazymonkeydude can do the coding tho

 

[CrazyMonkeyDude]

Know that the only coding experience I have is pointing something out to mib and saying "This could use a cvar, fix it."

Also, my scripting sucks, just ask Thothie >_>

 

[Thothie]

Meh, best we've had since Shuriken left.

 

[CrazyMonkeyDude]

I suppose the main issue was sobriety when working on scripts.

Though with recent events at work that won't be a problem (though I still drink).

 

[Thothie]

I suppose the main issue was sobriety when working on scripts.

Though with recent events at work that won't be a problem (though I still drink).

Meh, still can't believe they are drug testing at entry level jobs like that - although maybe it'll work to my advantage in this case... Folks are doing crazy stuff in the rougher neighborhoods around here - like breaking into houses to rip out all the copper wiring and taking the remains to recycling centers for a pittance, which must come to like $1/hour for hard labor. Ripping off catalytic converters from cars has become an epidemic around here, and even ripping off fire hydrants and manhole covers, and melting them for the recycling fee, which also has to come to far less than minimum wage in the end.

All because drug addicts can't even get a job at effing McDonalds. :/

I actually saw a manager of Subway firing one of his kids because he failed his drug test... FFS - WTF cares if the kid who makes your Subway sammie is doing pot in his spare time! ><

[/rant]

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Hmm, Mib, if i offered to pay you 15 bucks for doing the coding needed for having that new title system, would you do it? Cause i want that to be implemented badly...

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

You're really taking this "time is money" thing too seriously.

 

[The Man In Black]

If you want to pay me to do coding it would have to offset the money from taking a day off ;-)

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Lol, darn. You work 7 days a week? Ouch... :|

 

[The Man In Black]

No, I work 5 days a week and what time I have when not working is generally spent with my girlfriend. I get about 8 hours a week when she's at work and I'm not, but I'm rarely focused enough to do work in those periods. Though, today it looks like I may be slightly productive.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

I see. Well if you get around to it, that would be sweet. I'd just like to let you know that your work is greatly appreciated.

 

[Srgnt Rehab]

I was wondering if it'd be possible to make your max parry = average of skills +10
Example, someone with 25 in all skills would beable to go up to parry 35, but someone with all skills 40 could actually get their parry up to 50. Parry wouldn't effect titles in this system.

A conflict with this is that SC levels increadibly slow since it is something like the sum of all your levels divided by 7 rather then 5, so SC would hinder your parry.

One reason for this change would be because I enjoy beingable to get stronger in every aspect, despite being weaker to begin with, the ability to become stronger is just very appealing to me. Things like the Orian's Bow that cannot do more then their original damage are not appealing to me... Orian's Bow made me cry

 

[The Man In Black]

Parry is being removed as a level-able stat, anyway. Your parry chance will be equivalent to an equation based on what's in your hands.

 

[Age]

Things like the Orion's* Bow that cannot do more then their original damage are not appealing to me... Orion's* Bow made me cry

..The Orion Bow was like candy, I don't know what you're smoking. Sure it was grown out of, but I leveled Archery to 26 in half the time I've leveled any other skill on the list. :?