[INFO] Cheaters and Exploiters

[Orochi]

I was just curious. It seems odd that known cheaters can simply pay money to have their old, beefed-up characters back. At least in oher games like this, you have to start over. :?

 

[WeissberV]

Why are people allowed to pay 10 bucks to be restored? If they cheat, they shouldn't be allowed back. We aren't pay to play here, people.

Because hosting FuzNet aint free?
Because they can buy a new steamid for 10 bucks?

steam id = free Half life 1 $10 = free msc = new character

 

[Shurik3n]

Orochi makes a point. If the $10 to get unbanned is supposed to make sense because they could buy a new steamID for that, then why give their character back on top of it. If they spend $10 on a steamid they wouldn't have a character, so why give them a cheated one?

 

[Blasto121]

I don't just hand over there character, it does get rolled back. I determine how hard of a hit based on character data size. So for mario he got a 3 month roll back.

Yes I could up the price and say make it $15 or something, but that would chase more people away then get them. Besides I have managed to get Kuroneko at least 2 months of free web server rent, under these rules.

 

[Orochi]

I'm just saying, it seems like a payoff, somehow. Still, hitting them by rollback is good enough for me. As long as they don't slide right back in the pilot's seat, so to speak.

 

[Blasto121]

it pretty much is, however it does go to a greater good. Besides if I catch them cheating again, they will have to donate another $10.

 

[tehrilez]

I say if someone donates 20+ $ they get a custom weapon ingame with its own certain properties. For example - A nova blade that requires less fire level to use its special attacks and does more overall damage.

30 + : Custom weapon with less restrictions.

40 + : Custom weapon with almost no restrictions.

60 + : (this is enough to buy a game for Xbox 360) Weapon with no restrictions, your own crest, and bragging rights. By now I would have given up.

100 + : 60 + benefits, FN admin, super godly bragging rights, and the right to never be banned on FN unless a severe case of cheating (but why would you cheat if you donated this much?) And access to a custom forum on here that has updated locations of all items ingame, how to obtain them, players needed, etc.

Of course, all of it could be taken away for cheating.

 

[Shadeska]

I say if someone donates 20+ $ they get a custom weapon ingame with its own certain properties. For example - A nova blade that requires less fire level to use its special attacks and does more overall damage.

30 + : Custom weapon with less restrictions.

40 + : Custom weapon with almost no restrictions.

60 + : (this is enough to buy a game for Xbox 360) Weapon with no restrictions, your own crest, and bragging rights. By now I would have given up.

100 + : 60 + benefits, FN admin, super godly bragging rights, and the right to never be banned on FN unless a severe case of cheating (but why would you cheat if you donated this much?) And access to a custom forum on here that has updated locations of all items ingame, how to obtain them, players needed, etc.

Of course, all of it could be taken away for cheating.

NO.

 

[CrazyMonkeyDude]

I say if someone donates 20+ $ they get a custom weapon ingame with its own certain properties. For example - A nova blade that requires less fire level to use its special attacks and does more overall damage.

30 + : Custom weapon with less restrictions.

40 + : Custom weapon with almost no restrictions.

60 + : (this is enough to buy a game for Xbox 360) Weapon with no restrictions, your own crest, and bragging rights. By now I would have given up.

100 + : 60 + benefits, FN admin, super godly bragging rights, and the right to never be banned on FN unless a severe case of cheating (but why would you cheat if you donated this much?) And access to a custom forum on here that has updated locations of all items ingame, how to obtain them, players needed, etc.

Of course, all of it could be taken away for cheating.

NO.

...Holy shit, he really is pimpsta.

 

[The Man In Black]

Bahaha... Maybe if you pay 200 dollars, you could get the full script and code folders with easy instructions on how to create your own cheat .dlls!

 

[Orochi]

I say if someone donates 20+ $ they get a custom weapon ingame with its own certain properties. For example - A nova blade that requires less fire level to use its special attacks and does more overall damage.

30 + : Custom weapon with less restrictions.

40 + : Custom weapon with almost no restrictions.

60 + : (this is enough to buy a game for Xbox 360) Weapon with no restrictions, your own crest, and bragging rights. By now I would have given up.

100 + : 60 + benefits, FN admin, super godly bragging rights, and the right to never be banned on FN unless a severe case of cheating (but why would you cheat if you donated this much?) And access to a custom forum on here that has updated locations of all items ingame, how to obtain them, players needed, etc.

Of course, all of it could be taken away for cheating.

Bad idea. It would drive a wedge between those who can and can't pay.; never mind the fact that it would unbalance the game.

 

[Blasto121]

I say if someone donates 20+ $ they get a custom weapon ingame with its own certain properties. For example - A nova blade that requires less fire level to use its special attacks and does more overall damage.

30 + : Custom weapon with less restrictions.

40 + : Custom weapon with almost no restrictions.

60 + : (this is enough to buy a game for Xbox 360) Weapon with no restrictions, your own crest, and bragging rights. By now I would have given up.

100 + : 60 + benefits, FN admin, super godly bragging rights, and the right to never be banned on FN unless a severe case of cheating (but why would you cheat if you donated this much?) And access to a custom forum on here that has updated locations of all items ingame, how to obtain them, players needed, etc.

Of course, all of it could be taken away for cheating.

no no no no no no no no no no no no no

it could not be said enough, giving players advantage through donation is a really good way to destroy a mod.

 

[The Man In Black]

Though giving non-advantegeous prizes for donations is still good ;-)

 

[ITS'aME'aMARIO!!!!]

how about for donations expendable stuff like greater protection pots or immunity pots.

 

[HomestarR]

Or how about donating for development progress? If you are going to donate at all then you should do it to help the developers, and not for in-game items.

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

I say if someone donates 20+ $ they get a custom weapon ingame with its own certain properties. For example - A nova blade that requires less fire level to use its special attacks and does more overall damage.

30 + : Custom weapon with less restrictions.

40 + : Custom weapon with almost no restrictions.

60 + : (this is enough to buy a game for Xbox 360) Weapon with no restrictions, your own crest, and bragging rights. By now I would have given up.

100 + : 60 + benefits, FN admin, super godly bragging rights, and the right to never be banned on FN unless a severe case of cheating (but why would you cheat if you donated this much?) And access to a custom forum on here that has updated locations of all items ingame, how to obtain them, players needed, etc.

Of course, all of it could be taken away for cheating.

NO.

F*** NO.

 

[tehrilez]

how about for donations expendable stuff like greater protection pots or immunity pots.

 

[CrazyMonkeyDude]

Or how about donating for development progress? If you are going to donate at all then you should do it to help the developers, and not for in-game items.

 

[WeissberV]

Or how about donating for development progress? If you are going to donate at all then you should do it to help the developers, and not for in-game items.

 

[Shurik3n]

Or how about donating just because you like the mod and want to see the forums stay up. Some of us don't need a reward for being nice.

 

[tehrilez]

Or how about donating just because you like the mod and want to see the forums stay up. Some of us don't need a reward for being nice.

I was saying upwards of 60+ dollars.


That's more than nice.

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

It's generous.

But the day people will walk around with exclusive items is the day this game will die. Remember what happened with MS v1.0 and the apostle items? Everybody and their mother wanted to have these exclusive items, and so people started cheating. The apostle items idea was the biggest failure ever in MS history. Even the monster ramping system can't compare to it. In fact, the exclusive items screw-up was a million times worse than the monster ramping is now. A failure of such magnitude should never be seen again.

Exclusive items guarantees a colossal failure, now and always.

Edit: And with people crying about the lightning storm spell being "overpowered", one can only imagine how many deaths there will be (in real life) if an exclusive weapon with even the slightest advantage gets implemented. Blood will shed if Billy's rich parents spend € 200,00 to buy him a novablade that is 1,000001 times stronger than a standard novablade, because the total destruction Billy could cause in-game with such an exclusive, enchanted weapon of mass destruction is unforseeable.

And the amount of people whining about such a weapon being overpowered will be infinite.
INFINITE I TELL YOU!
∞!

 

[Shadeska]

Soooooo...basically what JM is trying to say is "no."

 

[Shurik3n]

I don't see any problems with giving someone who donates a significant sum a crest (not Orochi style), but I would think that anybody who would donate a lot is doing it for more than just a crest.

 

[The Man In Black]

Well, there are a few things you have to take into account here..

1. It's quite obvious that, while it's nice, it isn't necessary for people to donate. If it was, it would be more appropriate to start "begging" for money (AKA offering rewards for donations).
2. Going along with the lack of necessity, we also really don't see much out of it. Sure, Kuroneko likes having the load of the site taken off his hands for a month or so, but for the community, we don't see much. Perhaps if donating money got put into a pool for, say, hiring a professional coder (no offense to the MS:S coders), again, there would be a higher demand to "beg" for donations.
3. It's become obvious that, even from the most dedicated members of the community, no one feels a particular need to donate. Quite frankly, it's almost like dumping your money down a hole (unless of course you're buying your account back, or something like that).
4. This is sort of contradicting 3, but I suppose you *do* get something back. You get your ePenis upgraded, and lord knows we don't need more ePenis around here. I think there would end up being a lot of "Well, I donated, so I'm a better person/member/everything!". This proves nothing, except that it's human nature to think you're better because you can throw money at things.

So in my opinion: You can offer (non-advantageous) items, yes, but put the money into something we can see. As suggested above, put it into a pool for hiring a coder, or maybe even give Thothie a bonus for all the (free) work he does in his free time.

Suggestion for items if you do intend to implement the above idea:
1. Custom crests. This probably wouldn't take effect until after the media limit is slackened (or a new armor fix is found)
2. New model-> Meaning donate a certain amount of money to get your GiB swapped for a new model that only your GiB has. Again, not possible at the moment.