Phoenix

[pimpsta]

This isn't a support issue... And it's turned into such a flame topic it doesn't really make it as chatter hardly anymore either.

In anycase...

Originally the Phoenix Armor had Knights Armor level protection and Gold Armor weight that only protected you against/gave health for direct fire attacks (not applyeffect/DOT).

Now the Pheonix Armor has Dark Armor protection level and weight, and protects from/heals for all fire attacks.

Short of making it say, "OMFG I r having the Armor of God and I r totally invincible!111!!!1" - I don't see how to make any more powerful. It is, hands down, the best armor in the game.

Now... If I see a fire-themed map on the horizon, it might ruin it, seeing as "somehow" <_< so many people got ahold of it.

What I'll likely do then is make it 100% fire protective, but only for a certain time when one activates it by a command word, followed by cool down time, and bump its general protection to GA level.

reduce the fire throwers and increase the hit damage would be good. Maybe that will do em good

 

[Thothie]

Can someone translate that sentence?

 

[villager]

Reduce fire damage (Meaning: Make the fire element less of a fire element.) and increase regular, physical damage.

 

[Revenir]

20 Physical resistance *As opposed to darks 30* and make it have 75% fire rather than 100%, make the fire helm give 10% fire res *So you can only have a total of 85%*. Take out the "LOL FIRE HEALS ME!!!!" Since thats kinda broken to start out with.

 

[villager]

I don't mind Phoenix giving immunity to fire, but healing is abit much :|
Phoenix doesn't seem as rare anymore sense Pimpsta is capable of getting a Phoenix whenever he wants, on his server.

 

[Thothie]

It's 50% Physical which is the same as Dark's Physical.

Basically, it's DA + Fire Heals you.

The only way the physical resistance can go any higher is to put on tier with GA, in which case the the fire bit would have to be nerfed and/or weight increased.

 

[Revenir]

It's 50% Physical which is the same as Dark's Physical.

Basically, it's DA + Fire Heals you.

The only way the physical resistance can go any higher is to put on tier with GA, in which case the the fire bit would have to be nerfed and/or weight increased.

Drop it from DA and remove the "heal" part. 40% Phys. Res and 100% Fire res but no fire heal? That makes it still useful, but doesn't make it omgbroken as it is, nor would you have to program a keyword to use its effect.

 

[Thothie]

It'd stack with the fire helm which would cause techinical issues. 'sides, it's different... I dun see what's so broken about it, save that it makes fire creatures easy to take down, which is what it's designed to do. There's not a lot of em.

 

[The Man In Black]

Or you could.. NOT remove the fire absorb.. There's no reason to remove it. If it's that bad, just make it more rare.

 

[Revenir]

It'd stack with the fire helm which would cause techinical issues. 'sides, it's different... I dun see what's so broken about it, save that it makes fire creatures easy to take down, which is what it's designed to do. There's not a lot of em.

Well make the armor only give 75-85% Fire res and the helm itself the rest . As for whats broken you said it yourself : Theres going to be an all fire map released soon. As it is having Phoenix armor makes DA completely worthless and if thats what your going for thats fine. Lowering its effective phyiscal resistance lower to compensate for its ability to take hits from fire like they were healing potions balances it out. :3

 

[evilsquirrel]

dude - for seriously, don't nerf items because of maps.

just give monsters the AI to recognize "oh shit, that guy isn't taking damage/is wearing phoenix armor - i should try to use a different attack"

 

[Thothie]

Well the idea was to provide a teir above GA without becoming godlike.

Theres going to be an all fire map released soon

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Not that I know of.

 

[The Man In Black]

dude - for seriously, don't nerf items because of maps.

just give monsters the AI to recognize "oh ****, that guy isn't taking damage/is wearing phoenix armor - i should try to use a different attack"

Thar ya go.

 

[Thothie]

Yes, we can have fire elementals that cast blizzard when they see someone who has phoenix armor - brilliant!

...no, wait... the other thing... stupid.

 

[evilsquirrel]

i meant that they would use a physical attack instead of a flame attack - der

or if they were some sort of mixed element (IE: flame/lightning) they could use thier alternate element more often

 

[Thothie]

Well what's the point of a fire themed maps if things are shooting lightning and cold at ya? Sides, the "nerf" would be increasing the physical protection, which is what half the people here seem to be asking for.

...and it's already true, the phoenix armor does not protect against the impact damage from a Fire Elemental's fists. (Granted, doesn't much matter when the fire circle is doing 100hp/click)

 

[The Man In Black]

I'd prefer fire healing me than a better protection rating. If I want good protection, I'll go grab Gold Armor ;-) (I swear, if you take all the protection now, I will stab you >_<)

 

[Tentadrilus]

We need another 3 versions of Phoenix armor, for the other 3 elements. Stormchaser armor (lightning), Polar armor (cold) and Snaketongue armor (poison).

 

[evilsquirrel]

change polar to Glacial Armor - because polar armor sounds...>_>...like you skinned a polar bear.

 

[Thothie]

We've got the Cobarskin Vest for the poison.

Polarbear skins have long been on the model REQ list, to no avail.

Have an ice armor skin - but we've run into an issue that the current armor view fix is limiting the number of armors we can add, because the game can't seem to pass the complex submodels on proper.

 

[Tentadrilus]

Polar just means 'of the poles', and doesn't really bare any relation to skinning polar bears.

 

[evilsquirrel]

except in people's brains. that is.

 

[Thothie]

I suspect there would be some skinning of polar bears involved to get this armor.

 

[Tentadrilus]

Of course. Perhaps it'd be an ms_snow reward.

 

[Thothie]

Well, there's enough rewards on ms_snow, but it is, at the moment, one of the few places to find polar bears. I was thinking if you got x# of polar bear skins, and did some sort of side quest, Ike, or Forsuth, or someone, could rig together some polarskin armor for ya.