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[zeus9860]

First off look at this to get the idea why im starting this topic:
the past

Reason why i'm making this come back from the past? It's simple, either the mod is 99% dead now or there is things that could be done to change it back and bring back some people and put this mod once again "playable" unlike now...


My point is, to overcome this situation there is only 2 ways to do so(3rd is just in case if no patch is to be released):
1st) Bring back the old lodagond series (xp nerf was sure a bad idea, it didn't even help keeping this mod alive and i dont care much about the rewards has long has the xp get's worth the time we spend playing this game);

2nd) Release a new patch with new content in it, i'm sure for a really long time with no releases for this mod it's either: dead or taking a real pain in the *ss to do it for the new dev... also if the mod is not getting any new patches, then why not just announce it to the community rather than keeping people with hope of something that's probably not comming and makes people bored of waiting and waste time for nothing, which makes things even worst to the community;

3rd)This is a suggestion from someone who discussed with me @ steam, this suggestion implements on there being released 2 different ms:c versions to see which one would be more populated (ms:c nerfed version and ms:c without nerfs version);

Now i do believe this community has to take action and either do something in order to keep this mod alive, otherwise it's going to become pointless for people who play/liked to play ms:c in the old days...



Note: Yes, i've red that link i posted from first to last post... if i ever knew this happened in the past i would have participated with the others to bring back what's supposed to motivate people to play this game. I also red all the answers made to those who did this that i'm bringing up once more. And i do believe most of the answers weren't qualified for the things they said which are true. I'm not going to bother explain myself much more than this, i know similiar things will be brought up and once again the community doesnt care what people think to keep this worth the time spent when played or whatever :|

 

[Hemeriodius]

Is this even worth Dignifying with a response?

 

[zeus9860]

Think whatever you want, the way i see things for ms:c now are pretty bad... no news about patches/ the nerfs totally messed up the game for most people. If you think it isnt worth the try to get the mod to become less than a pain in the *ss to play and become less boring has it is then i guess you shouldnt even bother coming here to discuss about this. Yet i already know people will read this and will either ignore/reply with the same answers they used before, the action that this community decides to take will either end up killing it or somehow the unespected, keeping it alive... so yeah i guess i'll be here waiting for replies worth the time to read.

 

[Dridmar]

There is a new patch in the making. I think it's really really really close to release but you'd need to ask Thothie about it as he's the one with the information.

 

[Smash Doctor GRAND]

This mod is DEAD and here's why

1) Thothie gave up on development so there will probably never be another patch.
2) No new patch means no new content so veteran players leave.
3) The game is glitchy and has outdated graphics so it's not likely to attract new players unless they are very
bored/openminded.
4) Levels 1-20 consist of mostly grinding for hours upon hours so new players aren't likely to keep playing.
5) At level 20 decent equipment can't be obtained by yourself, so you and two friend have to be willing to grind to level 20
just to meet the combined hp requirement for the equipment.
6) After you obtain the new equipment, the game becomes exceedingly easy. Like a walk-in-the-park easy. Including
Lodagond.
7) After around level 25 the game becomes pointless level grinding, item farming, and hp boasting.
8) Swords and Archery have by far the best items in the game and it is near pointless to use anything else for any reason.

I've been playing this game off and on for 2-3 years now and this list is based on my game experience.

P.S. Giving people more xp on lodagond will only promote loda 3,4 spamming and not much else.

 

[Crow]

1. As Thothie as tried to explain over, and over, and over agian: MS:C will break once people reach level 60. Something in the hard code can't handle the numbers that would be created by level 60 characters, or something. I have no idea what it is, but I trust Thothie's judgement.
Thus the xp nerf. It boggles the mind that people still don't understand this. It think we should have a level cap, and people can suck it if they don't like it. Yes, I'm very bitter about this topic, because this was more or less what drove the away some key productive members of the MS:C community.

2. A patch is in the works. It's very hard to want to work on a game no one plays, myself included. I haven't work on Oculus in over a month. I can't say that's the reason the patch is taking so long. I can only assume.

You claim you'll ignore people who reply with the same answers from the topic you linked because... well you don't really give a valid reason, or a reason at all, aside from implying they would not be worth the time to read.

Sorry, but there's really nothing else to say. Its pretty simple logic really.
Too much xp = level 60.
Game breaks at level 60.
Thus too much xp = broken game.

"But the XP nerf pissed off everyone and ruined the game anyways, might as well just let people reach level 60 and have the game break. At least then it would have lasted longer then it has."

I suppose this is a valid opinion. But I don't think Thothie could have forseen that it would lead to the huge buttfuck that was that topic, and all the other crap.

 

[FER]

Do you guys ever checked other threads that ask if a patch will come, with replies showing new stuff like the new weather system, new goblin models and other crap?


Joke topic is joke

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

P.S. Giving people more xp on lodagond will only promote loda 3,4 spamming and not much else.

People would actually play maps with high XP, in order to level???
What a stunning conclusion!
Are you a rocket scientist?

MS:C will break once people reach level 60.

Yet somehow my level 75 test character magically works flawlessly.
I can PM it to you if you want me to.

 

[Age]

Yet somehow my level 75 test character magically works flawlessly.
I can PM it to you if you want me to.

Maybe if you're not on some random LAN server that's completely closed off to the real world, and FN, it will break.

But anyways, I wouldn't mind seeing just random little minigame maps and occuring events, much like the Darkmoon Faire in WoW. Only, if you really wanted something like a fair to aid in attraction in this small, dieing game, you'd need to either put a lot of them into this, or just make it stay there all the time.

I'd also like to point out how I said small. Game is small. Has few players that are dedicated. WoW is big. Has miilliionnss of players that are dedicated. Game has few maps. WoW has miles and miles upon even more miles of miles of endless exploratory terrain.

Edit: Also, give us fireworks. >.>
Inclusion of fireworks completely optional, but that'd be pretty hawt.
Also, after thinking about it, fireworks would entertain me, and give me something to spend lots of gold on. Say, 250-500 per firework, maybe stacks of two per? Then again, really hard to make, pointless addition, so, ignore me at all costs.
Inclusion of fireworks still completely optional, no matter how much I would love them to entertain me in my times of need.

Fuck yeah, my first actual post is in a flamewar.

 

[Crow]

The key word here being "test" character.

Like I said, I have no evidence to support Thothie's claim, but I trust his judgement. The game could very well work just fine at 60 and beyond, but since no one has got there legitimately...

Maybe something accumilates over the process of leveling, and at level 60 whatever that is becomes too much to handle. I don't think it's safe to say Thothie's theory is disproved simply because you created a character file at level 75 and it works on your server.

 

[zeus9860]

You claim you'll ignore people who reply with the same answers from the topic you linked because... well you don't really give a valid reason, or a reason at all, aside from implying they would not be worth the time to read.

I didn't say i was going to ignore the answers people used on the other topics, i meant to say that has in a indirect way to hemeriodius to stop making those kind of replies which i sure wont read has my point of making this "pop up" once more is to see what's happening to the game... If thothie trully is on the making of a new patch then there should be news (maybe twice a month, not to ask if it's close to release) about it to prevent for people to think that this is game is already dead. I mentioned the part about getting back to the old lodagond series in case if you guys didn't get my point which was "if there was no patch coming" then all i would ask would be to bring that part back and make things different from what they are now.

@Smash

i know bringing back the xp to lodagond would cause trouble but in my point of view i would prefer do something for the game to be left alive unlike just sit around and wait for something which the community does rarely mention about the patch lately. I have been watching the forums and haven't seen many news about this patch lately other than watching people posting from time to time on the maps section, i guess it shows a bit that it's still on the make but yet i'm not easily convinced without there being actual posts related to it.

Do you guys ever checked other threads that ask if a patch will come, with replies showing new stuff like the new weather system, new goblin models and other crap?

yes i probably checked all the topics so far since late january 2009 (when i got back) untill now before that i wasn't active, yet it's been a time since any dev talked about it which makes people believe in stuff when they wait long enough without any news... other than the maps posts i remember thothie mentioning about new stuff being added to the patch, that was quite a "long" time ago. So i think i'm kind of outdated but im sure i didnt miss much before the time i got back.

 

[FER]

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6715

 

[zeus9860]

http://www.msremake.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6715

i saw that before, last post made by Jelly on Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:35 am. Wait we are on 4th June after all, that's quite alot of time without any news now isn't it? All i could ask now, if the patch is still being made is to make a topic which announces news related to the patch, other than making the community endlessly wait for something we dont know much anymore... :? this is not to ask already to bring the old things from lodagond, which i already know it seems pointless to talk about it here.

 

[The Man In Black]

Patch will be done in the next couple of days. I have everything ready except something Thothie is working on. If he would just respond and let me know if he's even doing it, it would help, but alas, he's being me. In any case, we're going to do some alpha tests to make sure everything is working and included in the patch and it will be released.

 

[zeus9860]

good to hear some news finally, now i'm glad to know things were going different has i was suspecting wrong...

 

[Stormshift]

I do think XP gain needs to be increased around the board. Add a hard cap, give something to work towards.

I don't see a steady flow of content without making it more open source, which just unlocks more for cheaters, so it's rather beat... but easier XP grinding would nice. lol

 

[The Man In Black]

No

 

[Age]

I do think XP gain needs to be increased around the board. Add a hard cap, give something to work towards.

I don't see a steady flow of content without making it more open source, which just unlocks more for cheaters, so it's rather beat... but easier XP grinding would nice. lol

You're missing the point here,
It needs
moar
firewerks.
still completely optional

 

[Stormshift]

Uh, okay?

EXP grinding is a pain in the ass when you have 3 other kids with fshards 1 shotting everything.
EXP grinding by yourself when you are playing the game to be online in the first place is boring.
Getting gear is also tedious, with the lack of people that has been online lately the odds of getting items are atrocious.

 

[Gersendai]

I for one would love to see the exp system have more exp depending on the 'level requirement' of the map and whatnot cause, right now, im completely unmotivated to level on 95% of maps because all the exp is total garbage... how anyone manages to get level 40 with this crap is a god among men.

Im also disappointed in the way experience is gained. this is my analogy of something unfortunate...
hit,hit,hit, 3 hits left on group mash to target. last hit, server crash, missed chance to gain 1 million exp (example)
most people think gg, and the people who dont experience it themselves say QQ moar.

I disagree, I would like to see the system where you hit, gain exp. hit, gain exp. rinse & repeat.
Sure, using mobs that heal to gain ridiculous amount of exp is cheap, but, its not cheating. where as making your own cheat map for it is cheating.
I heard about how this happened before. just ban the cheaters and leave the system alone ffs... honestly

I would also like to see magic get more spells with a little more UMPH to them, cause, right now, ice is weak as all hell and its a pain to train most of them past their 30s without feeling a sharp pain in your skull.

 

[The Man In Black]

And what exactly do you hope to do with the exp raise? Gain some more levels? Then what? You'll get to a level where nothing in the game is going to be sufficient to raise your level. Then what do you do? Go on the forums and complain about the exp being too low.

Being that the infinite loop is useless on its own, mappers would also have to deal with players gaining crazy levels. As any J-M will tell you, pits of doom and annoying effects do not a fun/difficult map make, but that's the only way we'll be able to make maps difficult for god characters.

I'd type more, but I'm bored and thinking of driving out to CA to get Thoth.

 

[Stormshift]

That's why I said add a cap. Cap everything off at 40 till the next good content release for the next levels, then raise it.

But at least make EXPing in groups worthwhile, it's god awful for people without fshards/bd's. Soloing exping is a little better, but still boring. It really gets the best of any open-minded person, seriously.


I could be wrong though,.. since I know I haven't been around much. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is your first patch since Thoth "stepped down"? If so, you guys have had a bit of time so you might have an ace up your sleeve

 

[Age]

I read all of the 11 pages of the posted thread, and all I can say is
You'll level up, hit another level where nothing is fun anymore, and then bitch about it untill they satisfy your every god damned need once more. Then yet again will your pleasures run out, the infinite loop does not stop.

I'm sorry they lack the ability to produce patches tweaked to every single players "needs" at godlike speed just so you can level up and request even more content immediately. Patience plox. Please, PLEASE don't recreate the same thread that went for 11 pages of whinefest, and killed many kittens along the way.
It's a free dev team working on a free mod with little resources. You can't expect a WoW duplicate in FPS form.
And yes for god's sake I know this post isn't helping at all, and I shouldn't have posted it, because it's probably massive retaliation magnet, but sfdgdsfg.

Also needs moar fireworks.

 

[Stormshift]

Yeah dude, cause the current system where 3 players are online at any given time is bringin' in the big ones.

 

[The Man In Black]

People will play when the patch comes out.

If you release it, they will come.