Less Servers and Less People D:

[coleSlaw]

*The more you know.*
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lol.

 

[CrazyMonkeyDude]

*The more you know.*
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Fix'd

 

[tehrilez]

they would have to pay REAL MONEY to create a new steam ID if blasto bans them that far

thats why you ban their IP's

seriously, who gives a crap if they hack in their own locked server? Maybe you should take out the ability to lock a server on FN. But denying the password isn't the way to go, which is why we have 2 servers up that are even playable. (Sorry, I don't count the other 3 that are sometimes up because I have a constant ping of around 300)

Playing MS:C is pretty miserable when it is a game focused on teamplay, yet there isnt one god damned decent server up, ever.

Now, I know someone is going to quote my entire post and say something like " omg you could find someone nice to put up servers for you's!1! " but cmon, who really would set up a server just so you could play? Besides, most people I know that play MS:C are the people who have servers that are over 150+ ping for me.

 

[Thraxis]

No, I'll quote a measely one line from your post and base my argument around that, like you did to moi.

Playing MS:C is pretty miserable when it is a game focused on teamplay, yet there isnt one god damned decent server up, ever.

1) There are decent servers up. Thank god there aren't while you "play".

2) Make your own server...yeah...that's pretty much it

3) Go finish MS:S, and make it not based around team play. Make all bosses 1 hit kills for people who play maybe 1 hour per month (if that) and give all loot 100% of the time.

4) If you read the forums roles, Kuro states that MS:C Accepts code donations. I'm sure it wouldn't be too bad if you scripted some things either and submitted them.

And just out of the knowledge that someone else will waste their time replying to this with "ZOMG SFTY SUCKARGUMENT WAS ON GROUND!!!111!"...

How much do you play MS:C?

I could also put out the argument that if you don't play, then why complain? If you don't like it that much, play even less!

 

[Shadeska]

I like tehrilez's ideas, especially the one about no FN server locking.
It would be complicated (and maybe unneccessary) coding, but it'd be a step forward nonetheless.

 

[Belmont]

The only problem about banning people from your server, is, that these cheaters could get people join their server and get item-showered.

I just think all major exploiters/cheaters should get insta level 3.

 

[Blasto121]

that could have been handled better...

The reasons for doing the things this way are simple, if we have 10 operating public servers and we catch a hacker/cheater we would have to make sure all 10 servers banned that person via IP or STEAM. Now the thing about IP is its a little easy to change that, heck all I have to do is restart my modem and I get a new one. Makes banning via IP pointless, in fact only one person has a static IP on the FN list. He did it just to make things easier for me which was really nice.

Ok so now we ban VIA steam, good now he can't play. That is assuming everyone wants to ban that person, what if that person we want to ban hosts a public server? Anyone who wanders in gets free items, rats that give godly exp, and multitude of other fun things. How do you purpose I ban them? I can't stop them from connecting via ip? sure I can ban there character, however would that stop them from making a public dedicated server with modified values?

Security is not pretty, security is not fun. A person can complain all they want, however this is the most secure way. cheaters/hackers can play all they want on a lan server, they are denied from connecting to FN and I can ban there characters and know that they won't be screwing with things in public FN servers.

I did not take this decision lightly, I knew the ramifications and I knew the benefits. The only thing in the long run this could hurt is me, I have to keep track of lots of people and constantly make sure they are good. Yes it does limit the number of good servers for people, and yes it can become problematic when a new member comes in and wants the password.

Now anyone who continues this and doesn't know how security works, I am sorry but my post just owned you. If you think you have a better solution than the two that have been posted, please by all means post it up. Who knows maybe you will come up with something, I haven't thought of.

 

[Sabre]

If you people that are complaining did not notice, Blasto gives out the SteamID of anyone who cheats...It's the admin's responsibility to ban them from their servers...And if they host, then that tiered system Blasto is formulating handles that much more effectively...
@Rilez: You have the FN password, if you don't like your ping, host your own server. Moreover, I am happy to put up my server if anyone asks...And I know I'm findable on Steam.
@Belmont:
/agree
@People who suggested removing the password cvar:
It has been suggested, and people heavily objected. However, if the able to create a locked server could somehow be tied in with the new tier system, then I would imagine it possible.

 

[Shurik3n]

There are a multitude of ways to prevent people from joining your server, passwording is just one of them.

 

[tehrilez]

No, I'll quote a measely one line from your post and base my argument around that, like you did to moi.

Playing MS:C is pretty miserable when it is a game focused on teamplay, yet there isnt one god damned decent server up, ever.

1) There are decent servers up. Thank god there aren't while you "play".

2) Make your own server...yeah...that's pretty much it

3) Go finish MS:S, and make it not based around team play. Make all bosses 1 hit kills for people who play maybe 1 hour per month (if that) and give all loot 100% of the time.

4) If you read the forums roles, Kuro states that MS:C Accepts code donations. I'm sure it wouldn't be too bad if you scripted some things either and submitted them.

And just out of the knowledge that someone else will waste their time replying to this with "ZOMG SFTY SUCKARGUMENT WAS ON GROUND!!!111!"...

How much do you play MS:C?

I could also put out the argument that if you don't play, then why complain? If you don't like it that much, play even less!

What a forceful argument. It really is too bad that, where I live, even though there are servers, I'm sorry to say, but I lag. I HAVE hosted before, on listen, but not dedicated (if you want a big ass laggy server that drops players, i'll gladly put up my dedicated on my crappy machine!)

And what in the hell does MS:S have to do with this? Is this some lame attempt at trying to make an argument out of.. well, nothing?

No, I don't play, and I used to. Because there used to be servers I could play on. And once again, I'm sorry, but to me, 200 ping is way too much.

I used to play a lot with my friends, on LAN, which was fun. J-M probably knows who, because he introduced me to J-M. But then he started to dislike MS:C and just stopped playing. He lived pretty close to where I was, so I had a decent ping (40)

But the only servers I see now are either :

A: Extremely Lag Filled.

B: Have high level maps on 24/7

C: Are full.

D: Are empty.

E: Passworded.

Please, Thraxis, I would love to see you make a decent argument. If you want to bring up the fact that I don't contribute, I'm fucking in middle school. I don't have 24 hours a day to spend on MS:C, and I don't have the education of someone fresh out of college, but apparently you believe I have no right to contribute because of that. Excuse me for not carrying a C++ textbook or something around with me, while I participate in what I call "life."

And blasto, I understand that this is probably the only way you can deal with it right now. But if it comes down to it, maybe you should remove the password CVAR.. because really, why would anyone password other than to cheat? I don't really mind the password request as I am already on the list, but for new players, its a real hassle if they want to play on the official servers, especially if they don't know how to request the password. You could try adding to the FN popup that comes up when you install MS:C that you have to ask for the pass on the forums, in large lettering.

oh, and thanks Shadeska.

 

[The Man In Black]

I'm not going to bother to read most of what's been said, just to point out something funny in one of Rilez's posts:

Playing MS:C is pretty miserable when it is a game focused on teamplay, yet there isnt one god damned decent server up, ever

If the game is focused on teamplay, how is the game improved by having a multitude of 1 person, locked servers?

 

[FER]

Seriously, you dont need to score headshots on a moving target, so ping cant be that much troublesome (below 400 of course). I play perfectly with a ping of about 250-350 and im sure you could too if you try harder to enjoy the game.

Also if you dont like the map, you can start a vote to change the map.

 

[Jon]

lol this thread got serious really fast

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

I'm not going to bother to read most of what's been said, just to point out something funny in one of Rilez's posts:

Playing MS:C is pretty miserable when it is a game focused on teamplay, yet there isnt one god damned decent server up, ever

If the game is focused on teamplay, how is the game improved by having a multitude of 1 person, locked servers?

I don't think he ever said that, anywhere. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

[Picadilly]

I don't mean to interrupt this friendly conversation.

But if it comes down to it, maybe you should remove the password CVAR.. because really, why would anyone password other than to cheat?

We password our server sometimes when we get to a boss room and we don't want a joiner/overflower (warning! the overflower could be ME!!!) to crash the map. Nothing worse than getting to the boss and watching all your hopes evaporate in front of your eyes as someone joins and everything just stands still...

 

[CrazyMonkeyDude]

That actually sounds like a good idea. It also prevents the someone joining, helping you kill half the boss, then rolling the highest number thing. This happened one time when Dark_Force joined a server I was on calruin with Mario trying to get my Raven back(last month when you could still get Raven Mace).
We were in the middle of fighting Gahrangaroth(or whatever his face is), and he joins and kills him (when I asked him not to, luckily we had activated the seals prior). Raven dropped, and he rolled higher than me. I had the Raven though. To be fair, I dropped it. Dark_Force couldn't find it, and when he left, Mario gave the raven to me.

We lol'd so hard.

 

[Sabre]

I don't mean to interrupt this friendly conversation.

But if it comes down to it, maybe you should remove the password CVAR.. because really, why would anyone password other than to cheat?

We password our server sometimes when we get to a boss room and we don't want a joiner/overflower (warning! the overflower could be ME!!!) to crash the map. Nothing worse than getting to the boss and watching all your hopes evaporate in front of your eyes as someone joins and everything just stands still...

I also password my server for developing purposes, such as map beta tests.

 

[Shurik3n]

Like I said, getting rid of passwords is not going to stop anything. If you want to cheat you would make your server invisible, or use one of the other cvars that effectively stop people from joining.

 

[The Man In Black]

J-M - He didn't say it, but back when we had a public FN we would often have passworded servers that had only one player. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think if we go back to the old system, the same situation will arise.

This shouldn't really matter. The password system (FN) is going to be changed to be more public, so servers should start popping up again.

 

[Shurik3n]

There was a decrease in that as far back as loot chances increasing with more people. I rarely saw people alone in locked servers shortly following that.

 

[Stars]

It is! Simply the best online RPG that has ever been released.

I just think its amazing, cos it has such a small tight community. And its so enjoyable to explore and do quests with people you know rather than randoms who act like dipshits.

Its the way games should be i think. Thats why i only play games with tight communities, The Specialists, Natural Selection and now this again

 

[Jon]

Small amount of people playing = Alot of drama over nothing

*cough*

But also good cause problems can be solved quickly.

 

[Roland]

Why is Kuronekos server even up? It crashes LITERALLY every 15 seconds.

I try not to join servers with people in them because I tend to jump back and forth from fighting to town and would rather not screw with people by switching maps every few minutes.

Plus, I joined a server with 5 people in it today and I would be fighting something and someone would light me on fire or shoot me with a bow for no reason. I enjoy solo play personally, but then again, I'm not a high level yet.

 

[FER]

Well, that server had PvP turned ON

 

[The Man In Black]

I've not had a problem with Kuro's server.