Elves or Bludgeons

[Srgnt Rehab]

Apparently everyone likes to troll Gurluas...

 

[CrazyMonkeyDude]

He's so full of himself it's hard not to try to take him down a few pegs. His reactions only further fan the flames.

 

[Echo717]

You people are starting to get annoying. Shut up with the dogcat stuff, dogcats are NOT part of Master-Sword.

Neither is your lore LOL

 

[Freerad]

This thread is massive lolz.

Also I am not going to be voting on this at all.

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

You people are starting to get annoying. Shut up with the dogcat stuff, dogcats are NOT part of Master-Sword.

Neither is your lore LOL

 

[The Man In Black]

There's a difference between (nearly) constructive criticism and just plain insults.

 

[Gurluas]

You people are starting to get annoying. Shut up with the dogcat stuff, dogcats are NOT part of Master-Sword.

Neither is your lore LOL

Traitor -.-

 

[zeus9860]

Neither is your lore LOL

Traitor -.-

Lol'd, J-M always goes for the funny stuff 1st then comes other things down on his list

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

Traitor -.-

Just for the record, I never agreed with:
- giant bulls in an underground city (not to even mention the part that this would have to connect to the Halls of Charthane)
- "the lost Loreldian lord Iposatu", whom you wanted to be the MS:S final boss
- Calrian's mace, which you wanted to be a fragment of an apostle weapon (just fyi Calrian is a pussy boss and everybody and their pet wolf can waltz over him in a matter of seconds)
- that "Arozen" village which suddenly appeared on the MS:S worldmap, outside the Wall (why would anyone build a village there)
- Elves that DIG and CHARGE at you like bulls

In fact, when I believed I finally managed to talk you out of bludgeons (only took me like six years to accomplish this), I came to the discovery that you had merely replaced them with digger Elves. Which is pretty much even worse. Not that I'm going to vote, though.

I think you *might* be capable of writing something decent, but until you drop your unnatural obsession over dogcats, bludgeons, Nashalrath, Iposatu, and other things that seriously damage the already existing MasterSword background story, it is not going to happen.

tl;dr: drop the shit or gtfo

There's a difference between (nearly) constructive criticism and just plain insults.

Back in the days you would have joined the rest of us. What happened? Where's the old Man In Black, resident board asshole?

 

[Tentadrilus]

Attempting to deploy constructive criticism in this situation is akin to attempting to stop a tsunami with a toothpick and an expired hedgehog. Gurluas is intent on funneling all his fantasies into this game, and has been trying to do so for years without rhyme nor reason. Nothing else works.

 

[The Man In Black]

My point is that as soon as Thothie went off on him, everyone started in with pointless insults akin to "LOL U SUX". Reminds me of a ring of children hurling insults around the whimpering one in the middle.

 

[Thothie]

Meh, that baby's made you soft.

True, we don't really *need* this kind of hate running about, but really, I've tried being reasonable with him, for hours on end even, and it just, doesn't, work. I dunno if a massive dose of ridicule will work any better, but short of removing him entirely, I really don't know what else to do to get through to the poor kid. (And besides, it wasn't my idea to smack him upside the head to begin with - not that he was leaving us much choice. >_>)

Like J-M said, in so many words, I think he could do something constructive someday, but until he gains some sense of perspective, and the ability to actually use constructive criticism, I'm afraid a wall of denial and ridicule is all the community can really offer him.

 

[The Man In Black]

I'm not blaming you. i'm saying all the childish insults after the fact are pointless.

 

[Tentadrilus]

I think you'll find that most things are pointless, and thus I wouldn't waste your time pointing anything out.

 

[Gurluas]

Traitor -.-

Just for the record, I never agreed with:
- giant bulls in an underground city (not to even mention the part that this would have to connect to the Halls of Charthane)
- "the lost Loreldian lord Iposatu", whom you wanted to be the MS:S final boss
- Calrian's mace, which you wanted to be a fragment of an apostle weapon (just fyi Calrian is a pussy boss and everybody and their pet wolf can waltz over him in a matter of seconds)
- that "Arozen" village which suddenly appeared on the MS:S worldmap, outside the Wall (why would anyone build a village there)
- Elves that DIG and CHARGE at you like bulls

In fact, when I believed I finally managed to talk you out of bludgeons (only took me like six years to accomplish this), I came to the discovery that you had merely replaced them with digger Elves. Which is pretty much even worse. Not that I'm going to vote, though.

I think you *might* be capable of writing something decent, but until you drop your unnatural obsession over dogcats, bludgeons, Nashalrath, Iposatu, and other things that seriously damage the already existing MasterSword background story, it is not going to happen.

tl;dr: drop the **** or gtfo

You had access to all my prototype lore so you could have voiced your input. I listened to you and changed many things due to your inputs. Its your own fault for not stating things properly.

Also Arozen was on the safe side of the wall, and the elves manning the wall needed a place to live, its only logical that a village would be there.
And FYI Iposatu is an Avatar of a female lost loreldian. Her real name was not Iposatu it was merely a corporal avatar.

As for Thothie...I want to share with you MANY things and discuss many more,actually speak to you directly.
I have sent more than one pm requesting a live chat session. And stop calling me kid, I might be young compared to you but I will turn 20 in two months.

Those live chat sessions would have included talks about the lore disputes back then. And even todayI am still very inclined to discuss many points in a live chat. But apparently your msn serves only one purpose: Being afk

 

[Thothie]

*sigh* I really don't feel the desire nor have the time to go into that pointless effort again. If you *must* plead your case endlessly, do it here, or via PM, but if you flood my inbox, I'll have to block you - I've got real MSC work to keep track of in there, and I don't want it bumped off by a bunch of rants. You'll stand a much better chance of composing your thoughts when you have time to type them up post them, vs. the avid flailing that it turns into on instant messaging. If it as before, and there's still no budging you on the subject, please don't bother - that is, after all, among the reasons this thread has become what it is. Don't redirect blame, or claim being misunderstood - a key requisite to writing, be it lore or otherwise, after all, is the ability to make ones self understood.

Have you considered doing lore for Minecraft? That maybe a safer place to practice.

 

[Gurluas]

*sigh* I really don't feel the desire nor have the time to go into that pointless effort again. If you *must* plead your case endlessly, do it here, or via PM, but if you flood my inbox, I'll have to block you - I've got real MSC work to keep track of in there, and I don't want it bumped off by a bunch of rants. You'll stand a much better chance of composing your thoughts when you have time to type them up post them, vs. the avid flailing that it turns into on instant messaging. If it as before, and there's still no budging you on the subject, please don't bother - that is, after all, among the reasons this thread has become what it is. Don't redirect blame, or claim being misunderstood - a key requisite to writing, be it lore or otherwise, after all, is the ability to make ones self understood.

The reason that I want a real time chat is because I want a discussion.
I want to tell you what my goals are and what I am planning directly. I'm not gonna write an essay for you I simply want to tell you what this is about.

You misunderstood my lore as being an obsession about bludgeons or whatever which it was at the time but most of you have missed what really was the point of Nashalrath: A springboard to something bigger.

I could even invent a creature race such a demon troggs serving Malgoriand or whatever. There is a reason what I am this flexible about what lives there as it does not matter as long as it fits the planned springboard lore.

Perhaps being this open about it in the first place was a mistake.

For over two patches an extremely broken and bland map has been allowed to survive despite a fix having been given to you 1 year and a half ago. A fix which would take 5 minutes to institute, and if you dislike the Depth elves so much feel free to find a race filling these criteria:

1. must be able to build ornate city
2. must have served lor malgoriand
3. must be strong enough to have dug the tunnels you see before you reach the poison bludgeon area in Nashalrath

 

[jon50559]

There's no need to invent anything! Plenty of resources currently exist in the lore, use them instead. "Invented" creatures and the like just seem sooo... tacked on

 

[Gurluas]

There's no need to invent anything! Plenty of resources currently exist in the lore, use them instead. "Invented" creatures and the like just seem sooo... tacked on

Fine, lets wipe all invented creatures.
What do we have?...Nothing...As the whole lore has been invented.

And if you mean MY lore...Then go ahead, find a creature matching that description in Lanethan's lore.
Afaik there are no "Torkalath dwarves"

The only reason I made Depth Elves resemble Bludgeons so much was actually a favor to both Thothie and the players.
1. It would not disrupt the good gameplay, the map would feel different if they were just normal bald torkie elves.
2. Thothie would save alot of work in making the scripts. All he would have to do is to copy a few models and modify sounds and names.

He only kept Nashalrath update in limbo because he abhors the idea of Depth Elves.
And I was never able to discuss it with him due to his "isolation"

You cant have a proper discussion through PM especially not with threats of being blocked or by being ignored when you attempt to communicate.

I know that I brought all this mistrust and hate on myself due to my attitude a few years back but things have changes, I ask the community to give me a chance to fulfill my lore, you will love the result.

 

[jon50559]

Fine, lets wipe all invented creatures.
What do we have?...Nothing...As the whole lore has been invented.

And if you mean MY lore...Then go ahead, find a creature matching that description in Lanethan's lore.
Afaik there are no "Torkalath dwarves"

Ah, yes, be a smart-ass to one of the few people trying to give actual advice here.

It sounds like you have interest in making your very own lore, and not supplementing the existing lore. And past experiences tell us that we will, contrary to your belief, not love the result.

 

[Gurluas]

Fine, lets wipe all invented creatures.
What do we have?...Nothing...As the whole lore has been invented.

And if you mean MY lore...Then go ahead, find a creature matching that description in Lanethan's lore.
Afaik there are no "Torkalath dwarves"

Ah, yes, be a smart-ass to one of the few people trying to give actual advice here.

It sounds like you have interest in making your very own lore, and not supplementing the existing lore. And past experiences tell us that we will, contrary to your belief, not love the result.

Sorry I did not mean to insult you, I was merely seriously not "smartassly" asking you to find a creature matching that description.

I am expanding on the current lore, if I was creating my own lore I'd go and add dogcats and whatever.
Beside, the only exposition you had to my lore is the current Nashalrath which to say the truth reflects NOTHING and even the updates one wont mean too much. Nashalrath is a springboard to something big.
Sorry if I insulted you, that was REALLY not the intention.

 

[Gurluas]

Again a misunderstanding.

World destroyed by the lost /=/ destroy the lost
I know I sent you that pm back then but the plans have been changed, still it has to fit with the world. The small details ARE important because humans are picky by nature. I want things to make sense.
The inhabitants of that city ARE important because Nashalrath is THEIR city.

Its an exploration series, its not about destroying the lost
And yes the lore does actually have ties to the real world and i'm NOT gonna reveal that part of it.
But it is not "Hey lets take this random teleporter to another world to get loot"

I am writing a chronology of the events relating to Nashalrath until the players arrive. That should help people understand.

EDIT: http://msremake.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=8338

I accept constructive criticism.

 

[Tentadrilus]

I accept constructive criticism.

... and then you piss on it and continue on your SUPER 100% RIGHTEOUS QUEST FOR HOLY LORE REVIVAL.

If you want people to understand you, try getting your facts straight for once. Don't change things without telling anyone then wet your underwear when they're running on old information. It's entirely your fault that they're "misunderstanding" your lore.

 

[jon50559]

Drop it :? if he didn't get our point in 7 pages of replies, he won't get it in the next 7 pages.

 

[Gurluas]

I accept constructive criticism.

... and then you piss on it and continue on your SUPER 100% RIGHTEOUS QUEST FOR HOLY LORE REVIVAL.

If you want people to understand you, try getting your facts straight for once. Don't change things without telling anyone then wet your underwear when they're running on old information. It's entirely your fault that they're "misunderstanding" your lore.

Well the latest version of the event is in the link in the last page.
Now if you want to help me I'd appreciate if you could find a race/enemy which would fit Hashalgath's people since people dislike Depth Elves and Bludgeons.